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Re: REQUEST : Hare Krishna Group

Posted By Vivek Sadananda Pai (vivek@cs.rice.edu)
5 Jan 1997 17:20:21 GMT

In article <ghenE3Gqw7.8xI@netcom.com>, Mani Varadarajan <mani@be.com> wrote:
>Vivek Sadananda Pai <vivek@cs.rice.edu> writes:
>>
>> Now, please tell me how Vaishnavism, Shaivism, and Shaktaism are
>> related, otherwise it is _you_ who are comparing apples to oranges.
>>
>
>Each of the three, viz. Vaishnavism, Saivism, and Saktaism
>generally have a common mythology, though they may vary on
>the exact details.

Again, a strawman - more below.

>Furthermore, the major sects among the Vaishnavas, Saivas,
>and Saktas at least pay lip service to the Vedas, and the
>names each use for worshipping the Divine are all mentioned
>in the Vedas.

Still misses the "core" of each.

>To claim that Vaishnavism, Saivism, and Saktaism are not
>related is utter ignorance.

To set up a fake strawman is worse, don't you think?

I asked for the relation analogous to the ones drawn for the sects of
Christianity. That part of the article was snipped and is reproduced
below:

----
Your "more proper" analogy itself is flawed - more below. However, All
of the above groups can be called Christians because
a) they derive from (and believe in) Jesus Christ
b) they share the New Testament - a central holy book in Christianity
----

Now, if Vaishnavism, Saivism, and Saktaism have either a shared
founder or a shared _central_ holy book, then the claimed analogy
holds. If the best you can do is to say "well, they have a shared
world-view" or "most of them don't deny the Vedas", that's not
quite as strong a comparison. (*)

Remember - Krishna's comparison was challenged by someone trying to
equate Vaishnavism, Saivism, and Saktaism to various sects within
Christianity. No basis has been given yet.

-Vivek

* - in fact, the shared world-view issue is fairly weak, especially if
you assume what you label as "mythology" is in fact viewed as
"history".

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