From - Fri Oct 10 04:10:27 1997 Return-Path: <"chand_at@usp.ac.fj"@usp.ac.fj> Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id EAA03054 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 04:10:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Atish Chand Received: from sese.usp.ac.fj by relay2.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: sese.usp.ac.fj [144.120.8.4]) id QQdkqm26407; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 07:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usp.ac.fj by usp.ac.fj (PMDF V5.1-7 #7756) id <01IONQAZUA0C8Y4ZRB@usp.ac.fj> for soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.NET; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:03:51 +1200 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:03:51 +1200 Subject: Re: INFO : Club Karma Defames Hindu Values! To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.NET Message-id: <01IONQAZUA0E8Y4ZRB@usp.ac.fj> X-VMS-To: in%"soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net" References: MIME-version: 1.0 Status: RO X-Status: Rajiv Pandit wrote: > > Check out this website for shocking photos of club Karma and what you can do > to protest: I haven't checked it out. But if we just postively propagate the truth than automatically the untruth will be defeated. Club karma would sure love the publicity protest will generate. Anyway, all those icons which vivek and others have spoken are just that for that..icons.. in Club Karma. They aren't Lord Shiva and Ganeshji. Just an image alone does not necessarily mean that divinty is manifest in it. "Hindus" worship the Deity which resides in the so called icon only after the Deity has been installed in the image by the devotee, not the icon. Why not go distributing books and knowledge on real Vedic culture to the patrons on Club Karma? Tell them about the karmic effects of their living style? Dont blast the patrons, just befriend them, after all they are also spirit souls all looking for the Supreme bliss, but in the wrong place. When they personally sample a loving taste on True Hindu values it will correct their understanding. There is no other way. By doing this we would show what True Hindu Value is. No one can defame "Hindu" values. She lives on and on. Atish Chand. From - Thu Oct 9 21:00:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id UAA03048 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 20:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu by relay6.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) id QQdkpk11492; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 00:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.8.7/NMSU) id WAA19532; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 22:02:45 -0600 (MDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: rhea!skulshre From: "S. KULSHRESHTHA" Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: INFO : Navratri Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:59:32 -0600 Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rhea.nmsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: skulshre@rhea To: Gautham In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: Hello every one, I wish you all a very happy Dusshera and many many success in your life. With regards to all, Sanjeev On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Gautham wrote: > > > # # ## ##### ##### # # > # # # # # # # # # # > ###### # # # # # # # > # # ###### ##### ##### # > # # # # # # # > # # # # # # # > > > # # ## # # ##### ## ##### ##### # > ## # # # # # # # # # # # # # > # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # > # # # ###### # # ##### ###### # ##### # > # ## # # # # # # # # # # # # > # # # # ## # # # # # # # # > > > Hello Everyone, > > I am just e-mailing all of you to let you know today, October 2nd, is > the beginning of Navratri. It is a festival lasting for 9 days and is > also called Dussera. I wanted to wish you all a happy Navratri. > > > Gautham. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > From - Thu Oct 9 20:56:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id UAA29384 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 20:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu by relay5.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) id QQdkpj14535; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.8.7/NMSU) id VAA19418; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:59:41 -0600 (MDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: rhea!skulshre From: "S. KULSHRESHTHA" Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: INFO : Russian Law Discriminates Against Hinduism Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:56:28 -0600 Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 96 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rhea.nmsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: skulshre@rhea To: Gautham In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: I very much support the concerns raised in this mail. If we fail to react and voice our concerns today, there will be a day soon in future when Hinduism will start wiping out from the world. Why in Russia alone, even in our own country in India, Hinduism and hindus are discriminated against all other faiths and religions, muslim and christian religions. Indian govt, as usual is impotent and can not do any well in these matters, because the govt. is slave in the hands of christian dominated countries. Thanks, Sanjeev On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Gautham wrote: > > From: Hindu Religious Freedom Foundation > > RE: International Protest of Russian Law Attacking Religious Freedom > and Discriminating Against Hinduism > > Namaste. I am writing to enlist your aid in protesting a law passed > by the Russian government, which takes away religious freedom and the > right to exist for many religions in that country, including many > Hindu and Vaishnava groups. Furthermore, the law must be seen as a > direct snub and insult to Hindus of all persuasions. > > The main organization behind this law is the Russian Orthodox Church, > which has tried to establish itself as the state religion in Russia, > and which desires to wipe out other religions and prohibit them from > preaching. > > Here are some important facts about this law: > > 1. It acknowledges the right to exist in Russia for the following > religions: Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, and Islam. Hinduism is > conspicuous by its absence. Although there are one billion Hindus, > Vaishnavas and followers of Vedic religions around the world (second > in number only to Christianity), no mention is made of the right of > Hinduism to exist. Hinduism is the only major religion in the world > that was not listed as a legitimate religion by the Russian > government. > > 2. The law is craftily designed to take the abovementioned rights away > from any religion not registered for at least 15 years. Thus, in > addition to the Hindu religions, most Christian religions, including > the Roman Catholic church, will have most of their rights taken away. > > 3. This law even takes away the rights to invite brahmins, swamis, > yogis, and Vaishnava acharyas to come to Russia as missionaries, and > will prohibit them from either printing Hindu literature in Russia, > importing any Vedic literature into Russia, or from distributing any > Hindu religious literature in Russia. In short, one practical effect > is that it will strangle Hinduism in Russia. > > 4. There are currently at least four Vaishnava missions actively > preaching in Russia, as well as a number of smaller Hindu > organizations of various persuasions, including Transcendental > Meditation. Prior to the end of communism, Krishna bhaktas in Russia > were severely persecuted. Many were put in jail; others were sent to > mental institutions. Some died, because they would not give up their > faith. Please help us make sure this does not happen again. > > We need your help to protest this law. The Hindu Religious Freedom > Foundation has set up a web site on the Internet to coordinate > worldwide protests from Hindu organizations and Hindus all over the > world. The address of that web site is: > > http://www.tropicmall.com/hindu > > Please lend your support to this important cause. The web site makes > it easy for you to send letters of protest to the Russian government, > Russian embassies and ambassadors, the Russian Orthodox Church, the > Russian Parliament, and the president of Russia, Boris Yeltsin. Links > are also set up to Indian government officials, the United Nations, > and the United States government, so that you can send them your plea > to speak out on this issue, and to impose sanctions on the Russian > government if they do not overturn this law. > > Just as it was the duty of Arjuna to pick up his bow and fight for > righteousness, similarly, it is the duty of each and every Hindu > around the world to "pick up the pen" and fight for righteousness by > making his or her voice heard on this important cause. > > Thank you for your attention to this matter. > > > Sincerely, > Tusta Krishna das > Hindu Religious Freedom Foundation------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > From - Thu Oct 9 20:29:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id UAA19383 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 20:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) id QQdkph00462; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.8.7/NMSU) id VAA18404; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:31:49 -0600 (MDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: rhea!skulshre From: "S. KULSHRESHTHA" Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST: Jesus in India Question Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:28:19 -0600 Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rhea.nmsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: skulshre@rhea To: "Jerzy Tarasiuk; remove the '='" In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: The land of spiritual excellence and intellectual activism could develop such knowledge so as to predict the birth of jesus. This is written in one of the ancient "puranas". Which other religion in world can be the best way of life other than "Hinduism- the way of life". Even jesus was a predicted to be a messiah. Water follows always down the hill and, so the knowledge also. Jesus would have come as missionary to India, to raise the awakening, but he never preached to follow only one particular path of life (chrstianity), and never asked people to convert to christianity, which is practised now a days by christians. It seems to be an indignity to his mission in life. Sanjeev From - Thu Oct 9 20:11:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu (bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id UAA11642 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 20:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NMSU.Edu by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.8.7/NMSU) id VAA17649; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:14:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rhea.nmsu.edu by NMSU.Edu (8.8.4/NMSU-1.18) id VAA25736; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:10:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost by rhea.nmsu.edu (SMI-8.6/NMSU-1.18) id VAA22476; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:11:46 -0600 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:11:45 -0600 (MDT) From: "S. KULSHRESHTHA" X-Sender: skulshre@rhea To: ghen@netcom.com Subject: ARTICLE : HINDU FRIENDS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Hello Mizar, I shall be very happy to share with you my knowledge about the Hindu religion "which actually in strict sense is a way of life". It can be better understood in this form rather, as a religion. I hale from North Indian state guarded by Himalaya. Please let me know if you have any questions about Hinduism- the way of life. Thanks, Sanjeev From - Wed Oct 8 21:17:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from flow.mail.pipex.net (flow.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.6]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with SMTP id VAA11364 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com by flow.mail.pipex.net with SMTP (PP); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 05:16:27 +0100 Received: (from news@localhost) by ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA12665; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:16:22 -0700 (PDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: parthas@home.com Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Soul merging Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 00:17:48 -0400 Organization: @Home Network Lines: 15 Message-ID: <343C5AEC.7DEC@home.com> References: Reply-To: parthas@home.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cc313012-a.avnl1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-AtHome0305 (Win95; U) Status: RO X-Status: Dennis Kean wrote: > > Can anyone help me figure out what soul merging is about? > > Many thanx------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ I guess you are talking about about 'Anma-Paramanma' fusion (for lack of better word).'Anma' is jeevatma, the soul in the body, the Self. 'Pramanma' or paramatma is the Supreme self. The goal of every human being should be to merge the Self, with the Supreme self, just like the rivers fall into the ocean and beceomes one with the ocean. There are ways and means described in Vedas, Bhagavat Gita and other holy books. Partha From - Wed Oct 8 20:53:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id UAA01362 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.67]) id QQdklr16036; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA08024; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:53:27 -0700 (PDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: parthas@home.com Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu,soc.culture.indian Subject: Re: REQUEST : cows Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 23:54:52 -0400 Organization: @Home Network Lines: 16 Message-ID: <343C558C.64FD@home.com> References: Reply-To: parthas@home.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cc313012-a.avnl1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-AtHome0305 (Win95; U) Status: RO X-Status: This is in reply to ongoing discussion on cows. Hindus consider all the gods reside in Cow. That is why it is a sacrilage to eat cow meat. Recently i read bRhad-AranyaKa upanishad. There the horse portrayed as a symbolic representation of bRhad (universe). It goes on to say the eyes of the horse is Sun, body is earth, back is clouds and so on. Same way i have heard accounts where each and every part of gHo (cow) is atrributed to a different God. It is beleived by Hindus, that all the Gods and 33 crore devas reside in the body of Cow. That is why eating cow is considered as a sin and such people were despised by the brahmin community. I have no idea why cow should symbolise all the Gods, and the horses the buthas. Partha From - Wed Oct 8 15:12:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from yseult.sis.pasteur.fr (yseult.sis.pasteur.fr [157.99.60.10]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id PAA01156 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (vixen.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.49]) by yseult.sis.pasteur.fr (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA17474 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:11:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from news@localhost) by vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA20985; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:08:31 -0500 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!g-rao From: Gautham Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: ARTICLE : Hindu Religion Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:08:29 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: g-rao@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: Actually, the term Hindu was first used by the persians who came to India. They used this word because of the river Sindhu (now known as Indus). Therefore, all these words can be traced to the word Sindhu: Hindu, India, Hindi, Hindustan, etc. In earlier times, Hinduism was known as Sanaatan Dharma. On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Raamachandran Jayaraman wrote: > Hi > I agree with you. The name hindu was given by British and those who do > not want anything with British must also give up what they have > given.India was not one earlier times and each region had its own god and > festivals. From - Wed Oct 8 06:25:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id GAA08190 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 06:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winter.news.erols.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: winter.news.erols.com [207.172.3.53]) id QQdkjl00166; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by winter.news.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13302; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:24:54 -0400 (EDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: news From: "distressed " Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: ARTICLE : Hindu cosmology Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:22:02 -0400 Organization: Home PC Lines: 27 Message-ID: <61g1j6$cv8@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: phd-as17s33.erols.com X-Received-On: 8 Oct 1997 13:24:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Status: RO X-Status: I found an great site on Hindu cosmology: 6000 year barrier http://www.hawaiian.net/~durgadas/Barrier/6000yb.html Hindu scriptures were routinely disparaged by early British indologists as exaggerated stories an myths. Biblical stories on the other hand where accepted by the same indologists as being somewhere between salient fact and articles of faith. German indologists Max Mueller proposed the theory about Aryan invaders colonizing India from the north. This implies that the Indians are so inferior that it is unlikely, if not impossible, for them to civilize themselves without outside help. Native versions of the Indian origins found within living tradition and culture were totally ignored and thought to be unreliable. The British occupation of India produced scholars who's pious duty was to discredit the Hindu tradition and culture. Dates of events given in Hindu scripture based thousands of years ago were redated by the English to have occurred after the birth of Christ for no other reason than one could never rely on the version of a Hindu; the speculations of an English nobleman being wholly preferable. It remains ironic, however, that even if the dates given by the English be accepted at face value, the Hindu accomplishments in art, architecture, science, mathematics, literature, medicine and philosophy were made at a time when the English and all of Europe were still living a neolithic lifestyle. From - Wed Oct 8 06:17:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id GAA05585 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 06:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winter.news.erols.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: winter.news.erols.com [207.172.3.53]) id QQdkjl27397; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by winter.news.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA11366; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:17:41 -0400 (EDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: news From: "distressed " Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST: Jesus in India Question Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:14:47 -0400 Organization: Home PC Lines: 19 Message-ID: <61g15l$b2t@winter.news.erols.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: phd-as17s33.erols.com X-Received-On: 8 Oct 1997 13:17:41 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Status: RO X-Status: Here are some interesting sources about Jesus in India: Books: 1. Jesus lived in India. his unknown life before and after the crucifixion by Holger Kersten. Element books Ltd. Longmead,Shaftesbury,Dorset. U.K. 2. The Unknown life of Jesus. by Nikolai Notovitch 3. The Lost years of Jesus by Elizabeth Clare Prophet. internet sites: www.sol.com.au/kor/kor_07.htm Knowledge of Reality From - Wed Oct 8 05:21:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id FAA27903 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 05:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.bt.net by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: relay.bt.net [194.72.6.52]) id QRdkjh29975; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rockcake.bt.net (actually 194.72.6.106) by relay.bt.net with SMTP (PP); Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:16:59 +0100 Received: by rockcake.bt.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA03667; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:16:57 +0100 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: harry Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: REQUEST : Indian Independence Date: 8 Oct 1997 12:16:57 GMT Organization: British Telecom Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bcd3e4$037f2640$0100007f@hpatel> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial2-2.surflink.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Status: RO X-Status: Can anyone help with :- a) Words of the anthem in English or Gujarati. b) Midi-Music of the anthem c) Any information on Indian flag. We are doing a project on India's 50 years of independence, so any help will be appreciated. thanks Hitesh From - Wed Oct 8 01:00:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id BAA12363 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fes3.cs.tol.it by relay2.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mail.tin.it [194.243.154.39]) id QQdkiq18336; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 04:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tin.it (Torino14-219.tin.it [195.31.180.218]) by fes3.cs.tol.it (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA06500 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:00:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <343B3DBF.CF8485EA@tin.it> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:01:04 +0100 From: Maurizio Racca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Subject: REQUEST : Hare Krishna Temple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: please, do you know if the old record "Hare Krisna Temple" has been re-edited? If possible, I'll be very pleased in receiving your answer. Thanks From - Tue Oct 7 23:23:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mail.ucsd.edu (ucsd.ucsd.edu [132.239.254.201]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id XAA22391 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lesche.missouri.org (lesche.missouri.org [207.160.130.1]) by mail.ucsd.edu; id XAA08031 sendmail 8.8.5/UCSD8.3 via ESMTP Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:23:36 -0700 (PDT) for Received: (from news@localhost) by lesche.missouri.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA11451; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:23:30 -0500 (CDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: "Patrick S. Dunn" Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: REQUEST : Mahabrahma Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 01:18:31 -0500 Organization: HOW http://www.angelfire.com/mo/highoctane/index.html Lines: 8 Message-ID: <343B25B7.1528@mail.llion.org> Reply-To: pdunn01@mail.llion.org NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.209.45.117 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) CC: ghen@netcom.com Status: RO X-Status: Can someone please give me details behind the Mahabrahma spoken of in the Gita and in Krishna's miraculous birth and/or conception. It would be greatly appreciated if someone could really fill me in on this and if Mahabrahma has anything to do with Lord Brahma. Under the same sky, Scott From - Sun Oct 12 14:10:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from ZOOEY.MIT.EDU (ZOOEY.MIT.EDU [18.252.0.213]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id OAA19392 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ZOOEY.MIT.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZOOEY.MIT.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA10805; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:10:08 -0400 Sender: sahai@mit.edu Message-ID: <34413CAE.6D0552B1@mit.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:10:06 -0400 From: Anant Sahai Reply-To: sahai@mit.edu Organization: MIT Sangam (Indian Students Association) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; U; Linux 2.0.27 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: ghen@netcom.com Subject: ANNOUNCE: Special Series by Swami Chidananda. 7PM Oct 20-22 at MIT: Vedanta and the Modern World. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: MIT Sangam and the Chinmaya Mission present a special 3 day series: * The Relevance of Vedanta to the Modern World * We are honored to welcome Swami Chidananda, head of the San Jose center of the Chinmaya Mission, to the Boston Area. If you can help out with this event, please contact sahai@mit.edu. Summary: Time: 7-8:30PM Mon, Tue, Wed October 20, 21, 22 Place: MIT, 77 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA * Rm 1-390 (Monday October 20th) * Rm 3-133 (Tue, Wed October 21-22nd) Cost: FREE for everyone Contact: Anant Sahai (sahai@mit.edu 617-225-6679) Web: http://web.mit.edu/sangam/www/events/vedanta.html Directions: http://whereis.mit.edu/doc/GettingToMIT.html FREE REFRESHMENTS WILL BE SERVED! Details: Swamiji has tailored his talks especially for both the undergrad and graduate student community and these are designed to be interactive. Roughly, the first 60 minutes will be presentation, and then 30 minutes of Question and Answer. No prior background will be assumed and all are welcome. * "Knowing One's Self" (Monday) No matter what is our field of activity in life, if we do not face clearly the basic questions like, "Who am I?," "What is my goal?" and "Am I adopting the right means?", we will suffer unnecessarily in self-created entanglements and disappointments. The Vedanta, the wisdom of the core philosophy of the Vedas, helps us throw light on these most basic issues of life. A glimpse into the true Self in us, beyond the physical, emotional and intellectual layers of our personality will be given in this introductory session. * "Values and Relationships" (Tuesday) The modern times are torn between the allure of freedom of a permissive culture and the promise of long-range stability of the conservative culture. We are sometimes weary of the traditions, but are not sure of the new age. What is the true meaning of truthfulness, loyalty to a group, and of love? Is there such a thing as a `generation gap?' How sound is the moral compass we are holding? These questions are addressed from the point of view of Self-knowledge in this second session. * "Current Issues: Vegetarianism, Cloning, etc." (Wednesday) Can we arrive at an ethics to face the modern controversies? What is the common denominator of world's great religions? Wedded to modern science and common sense, can it bring a better understanding of the moral debates of today's world? Vedanta's flexibility to bear on emerging patterns of individual and social life will be the focus of the third session. Throughout, our philosophy, stories, and rituals will be looked at not as some beautiful, but dead, relics from the hoary past, but rather explored as a living tradition with relevance and meaning. Swamiji has provided some points of contact with the classical tradition. For details, please see the web-page at: http://web.mit.edu/sangam/www/events/vedanta.html From - Sat Oct 11 13:30:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id NAA12593 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 13:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h1.uw.edu.pl by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: h1.uw.edu.pl [148.81.151.18]) id QQdkvq25073; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 16:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by h1.uw.edu.pl (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA01381; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:30:21 +0200 (MET DST) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: news From: jt@fuw.edu.pl (Jerzy Tarasiuk) Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST: Jesus in India Question Date: 11 Oct 1997 21:30:21 +0100 Organization: Warsaw University, Physics Department Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: jt@zfja-gate.fuw.edu.pl= (Jerzy Tarasiuk; remove the '=') NNTP-Posting-Host: fizyk1.fuw.edu.pl In-reply-to: trivedi@curie.uchicago.edu's message of Wed, 8 Oct 1997 05:27:52 GMT X-Newsreader: (ding) Gnus v0.82 Status: O X-Status: >>>>> Anil Trivedi writes: Hello, Anil > That's the problem: there is very little evidence for any theory, > including what has been preached by Church authorities. :) But what if someone has seen it himself and touched by hand? > It is not claimed that Jesus was "preaching" Hindusim, but he could > have been influenced by Indian thought. Very interesting idea - can you please tell me, unaware of this, some things in Jesus' teachings influenced by Indian thought? One I remember - Hinduism claims "all paths are equal", or alike, is there any mark of the claim in Jesus' teachings? thanks in advance, Jerzy From - Fri Oct 10 17:30:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id RAA28645 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:30:42 -0700 (PDT) From: MKHoops@aol.com Received: from emout22.mail.aol.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: emout22.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.127]) id QQdkso29985; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout22.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA21912 for soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971010202953_-1362462368@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Subject: REQUEST : Translation Request (Sanskrit) Status: RO X-Status: I have something in sanskrit that I am trying to translate and your help would be greatly appreciated. The only words that I have not found meanings for are gopala, radha-ramanahari, nrsingadeva, prabhupda, and govindam. If you know the meanings of any one of these please write back. Thank you very much. From - Fri Oct 10 07:06:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from yseult.sis.pasteur.fr (yseult.sis.pasteur.fr [157.99.60.10]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id HAA10654 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 07:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com (news@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.67]) by yseult.sis.pasteur.fr (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA31455 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:04:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from news@localhost) by ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08269; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 07:03:22 -0700 (PDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: parthas@home.com Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: REQUEST : Hindu Topics Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:04:47 -0400 Organization: @Home Network Lines: 5 Message-ID: <343E35FF.7E34@home.com> Reply-To: parthas@home.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cc313012-a.avnl1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-AtHome0305 (Win95; U) Status: RO X-Status: I am new to using newsgroup and i need help searching for certain topics. Can somebody please help me. My e-mail is parthas@home.com Parthasarathy Srinivasan From - Mon Oct 13 12:24:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from flow.mail.pipex.net (flow.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.6]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with SMTP id MAA08804 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com by flow.mail.pipex.net with SMTP (PP); Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:24:41 +0100 Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA08115 for soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net; Mon, 13 Oct 97 12:23:11 MST Received: from emailchd.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA14635 for soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net; Mon, 13 Oct 97 12:22:45 MST Received: by newsgate.sps.mot.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22444; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:23:59 -0700 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: RAJALINGAM S Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: REQUEST : Hanuman Prayer Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 03:25:46 +0100 Organization: sps Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3442D829.56C8@email.sps.com> Reply-To: r29143@email.sps.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 222.2.125.87 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Status: RO X-Status: Hello there, Is anyone pls let me know is it ok to pray Lord Hanuman in a family house......... From - Wed Oct 15 01:40:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id BAA29432 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 01:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ohmaster.rau.ac.za by relay5.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ohmaster.rau.ac.za [152.106.20.200]) id QQdlio12618; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 04:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [152.106.31.156] ([152.106.31.156]) by ohmaster.rau.ac.za (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA21973 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:49:49 +0200 Message-ID: <34450088.2DF1@rocketmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:42:33 -0700 From: babs sonnenberg Reply-To: hgoblin@rocketmail.com Organization: Randse Afrikaanse Universiteit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Subject: REQUEST : Bridal dressing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: I would like to know why hindu brides are clad in red bridal garb on their wedding day...what is the significance of this.? From - Tue Oct 14 19:17:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id TAA01401 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id TAA02528 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vixen.cso.uiuc.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.49]) id QQdlho24263; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA14544; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:03:37 -0500 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!g-rao From: Gautham Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: REQUEST : Translation Request (Sanskrit) (fwd) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:03:34 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 28 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: g-rao@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu To: MKHoops@aol.com Status: RO X-Status: Gopala = the one who takes cares of the cows Radha-ramanahari = Hari, Lord of Radha Govindam = Lord of the Cows Prabhupada = Feet of the lord Nrsingadeva = deva means God; but I can't make out the root of the word nrisinga Hope that helps. Gautham. >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:46:34 GMT >From: MKHoops@aol.com >Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu I have something in sanskrit that I am trying to translate and your help would be greatly appreciated. The only words that I have not found meanings for are gopala, radha-ramanahari, nrsingadeva, prabhupda, and govindam. If you know the meanings of any one of these please write back. Thank you very much. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ From - Tue Oct 14 17:30:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from beaver.cs.washington.edu (beaver.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.1]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id RAA03967 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nntp6.u.washington.edu (root@nntp6.u.washington.edu [140.142.64.7]) by beaver.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.1be+) with ESMTP id RAA28279 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by nntp6.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) id RAA44088 for soc-religion-hindu@beaver.cs.washington.edu; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:29:39 -0700 To: soc-religion-hindu@cs.washington.edu Path: saul3.u.washington.edu!apandey From: Anshuman Pandey Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : cows Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:29:35 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Anshuman Pandey NNTP-Posting-Host: saul3.u.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: nntp6.u.washington.edu 876875379 26678 (None) 140.142.64.6 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-User: apandey In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: The concept behind not eating meat is not a religious one. There are theories that the environmental burden of raising cattle propelled the switch of emphasis from meat-eating to vegetarianism. One book to read about this is "Beyond Beef" (I can't remember the author off-hand) and "Sacred Cows, Sacred Places" by Deryck O. Lodrick. Eating meat, and beef in particular is not sacriligious. This is what I call utter "pop-Hinduism", or Hinduism based on the ignorance of the masses. It ranks right up there with the notion that a woman is impure when she is menstruating. Utter nonsense. Meat eating could be consider sacriligious as it violates the principle of ahinsa. But that is another story. The topic of vegetarianism and its rise in India is a very interesting and complex topic indeed. It is best to see it through practical perspectives, and not through superstitious ones ie. gods reside in the cow. Perhaps from an esoteric viewpoint that may be possible, speaking in metaphor. But the practical aspect of the switch was most likely environmental and economic. I'll dig up references and continue this thread. Regards, Anshuman Pandey On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 parthas@home.com wrote: > This is in reply to ongoing discussion on cows. > Hindus consider all the gods reside in Cow. That is why it is a > sacrilage to eat cow meat. > > Recently i read bRhad-AranyaKa upanishad. There the horse portrayed as a > symbolic representation of bRhad (universe). It goes on to say the eyes > of the horse is Sun, body is earth, back is clouds and so on. > Same way i have heard accounts where each and every part of gHo (cow) is > atrributed to a different God. It is beleived by Hindus, that all the > Gods and 33 crore devas reside in the body of Cow. > That is why eating cow is considered as a sin and such people were > despised by the brahmin community. > I have no idea why cow should symbolise all the Gods, and the horses the > buthas. From - Tue Oct 14 12:04:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from rutgers.RUTGERS.EDU (RUTGERS.EDU [165.230.4.76]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id MAA19038 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com (news@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.67]) by rutgers.RUTGERS.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA02823 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17200; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:00:11 -0700 (PDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: Partha Srinivasan Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Hanuman Prayer Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:01:38 -0400 Organization: @Home Network Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3443C192.1878@home.com> References: Reply-To: parthas@home.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cc796983-a.avnl1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-AtHome0305 (Win95; U) Status: RO X-Status: RAJALINGAM S wrote: > > Hello there, > > Is anyone pls let me know is it ok to pray Lord Hanuman in a family > house......... Dear Rajalingam, It is absolutely OK to pray Lord hanuman in a Samsari's house. Not only Lord Hanuman, but with any God, please take care to see the Pooja room is maintained clean and "unclean" persons or persons in contact with them do not enter the pooja room. Subamasthu. Partha. 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From - Tue Oct 14 07:58:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from rutgers.RUTGERS.EDU (RUTGERS.EDU [165.230.4.76]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id HAA20589 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elessar.ics.muni.cz (elessar.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.10]) by rutgers.RUTGERS.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA23882 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dior.ics.muni.cz (dior.ics.muni.cz [147.251.6.10]) by elessar.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19882 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:57:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from news@localhost) by dior.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23905 for soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:57:16 +0200 (MEST) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:57:16 +0200 (MEST) From: Tomá¹ Poslt Subject: REQUEST : Famous people's sentences on Bhagavad-gita Message-Id: <199710141457.QAA23905@dior.ics.muni.cz> To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Organization: Masaryk University,Brno Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: Namaste! I am asking you for help. Please tell me if you know if some famous people said something about Bhagavad-gita and what is this saying exactly. For example heard that A.Einstein read Bhagavad-gita. Thank you in advance. Please add also source of this saying. Alex Pszczola From - Tue Oct 14 07:08:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from jazz.ncren.net (jazz.ncren.net [128.109.131.6]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id HAA15893 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news.berk.net (news.berk.net [205.230.140.12]) by jazz.ncren.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07465 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by news.berk.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA19803; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:08:39 -0400 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: "Barry Gross" Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: REQUEST : Need info on Kumba Mela Date: 14 Oct 1997 14:08:33 GMT Organization: Berkshire County Network Lines: 9 Message-ID: <01bcd8aa$98d88d60$3d908ace@adams.bcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pms2ip1.bcn.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Status: O X-Status: I would greatly appreciate any help with information on the Kumba Mela festival in general and the upcoming 1998 Kumba Mela festival in Hardiwar specifically. If you can supply information or links to information on the Web, I would be grateful. Please respond by e-mail. Thanks, Barry From - Tue Oct 14 06:15:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu (rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu [129.137.10.28]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id GAA25635 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 06:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: editor@rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu Received: from localhost (editor@localhost) by rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu (8.7.2/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA19395 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:12:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu (8.7.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA10117 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 04:10:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from interport.net (ts9port11.port.net [207.38.252.11]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA09969 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 03:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <343DA776.45010C47@interport.net> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 03:56:39 +0000 From: rugosa Reply-To: rugosa@interport.net Organization: Better Living Thru Better Living X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: editor@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu Subject: REQUEST : Please Help a "Ram-Guru" feed 1,000 addicts in NYC a week Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3F009607FA71FD817027674B" ReSent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:12:06 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-To: ghen@netcom.com ReSent-Message-ID: Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3F009607FA71FD817027674B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kapindra Swami, of the Prabhupada Sankirtan Society of NYC needs your help to feed healthy nutritious meals to the destitute, heroin addicts, HIV+ people etc. in NYC. If you would like to make a contribution: make checks out to: The Prabhupada Sankirtan Society (this is a tax-deductible charitable donation) and send to: Kapindra Swami 48 Avenue B New York, NY 10009 USA Kapindra Swami also needs some cotton or woolen white muslin which he can die the appropriate shade of tangerine. He also needs some long undewear, size medium, so he won't get too cold standing out there feeding prasadam.for further info and photographs, feel free to click on: http://www.interport.net/~rugosa/hkfr-2.html and also for the photo album http://www.interport.net/~rugosa/hkfr-photos.html Kapindra Swami is *not* connected to ISKCON. Kapindra Swami believes fervently there is "only Prabhupada" as Acarya Guru past or present or future. ==================================== please post this above message in your newsgroup and to whichever newsletters, homepages, newsgroups, maillistservs you think would welcome receiving it. thanks for your patience. --------------3F009607FA71FD817027674B Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for floribunda Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: floribunda n: ;floribunda org: Better Living Thru Better Living email;internet: rugosa@interport.net title: http://www.interport.net/~rugosa x-mozilla-cpt: ;-23328 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------3F009607FA71FD817027674B-- From - Tue Oct 14 06:14:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu (rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu [129.137.10.28]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id GAA25224 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 06:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: editor@rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu Received: from localhost (editor@localhost) by rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu (8.7.2/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA19392 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:11:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu (8.7.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA10617 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:43:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from news01.iafrica.com by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: news01.iafrica.com [196.7.0.166]) id QQdkqx08811; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:46:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from news by news01.iafrica.com with local (Exim 1.59 #1) id 0xJfNU-0000UM-00; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:45:16 +0200 To: alt-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: "Sunair" Newsgroups: alt.hindu Subject: REQUEST : Botswana Hindus Date: 10 Oct 1997 13:45:15 GMT Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bcd575$20a67100$LocalHost@Pccctkr.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-18-18.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Sender: Usenet Content-Type: text ReSent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:11:22 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-To: ghen@netcom.com ReSent-Message-ID: Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I would like to be in touch with Hindus staying in Botswana. If you are interested, please contact me. Regards, S. Nair ccctkr@iafrica.com From - Tue Oct 14 01:58:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from beaver.cs.washington.edu (beaver.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.1]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id BAA03478 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nntp6.u.washington.edu (root@nntp6.u.washington.edu [140.142.64.7]) by beaver.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.1be+) with ESMTP id BAA11412 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by nntp6.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) id BAA35764 for soc-religion-hindu@beaver.cs.washington.edu; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:58:47 -0700 To: soc-religion-hindu@cs.washington.edu Path: saul3.u.washington.edu!apandey From: Anshuman Pandey Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: ARTICLE : Read Vedas Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:58:44 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: saul3.u.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: nntp6.u.washington.edu 876819527 16818 (None) 140.142.64.7 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-User: apandey In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Compaq Customer wrote: > you should read vedas, it explain even the jesus apperance i n garwhal and > even the prediction of his birth, even Muhummad also it explain you in > various puranas Not exactly. Perhaps it is you who should read the Vedas. There is no mention of Jesus or Muhammad in the Vedas. I doubt there are any references to these two characters in the Puranas either. The burden of proof is on you my friend. Show us where in the Vedas proper there is mention of either Jesus of Muhammad. Regards, Anshuman Pandey From - Mon Oct 13 20:18:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id UAA08383 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vixen.cso.uiuc.edu by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.49]) id QQdleb00954; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA00118; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:18:21 -0500 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: ux4.cso.uiuc.edu!g-rao From: Gautham Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Hanuman Prayer Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:18:19 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux4.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: g-rao@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu To: r29143@email.sps.com In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: Yes, I think this is ok. I don't see any reason this would be wrong. Many people pray to Hanuman in their homes. On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, RAJALINGAM S wrote: > Hello there, > > Is anyone pls let me know is it ok to pray Lord Hanuman in a family > house......... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ From - Thu Oct 16 09:09:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id JAA12027 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winter.news.erols.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: winter.news.erols.com [207.172.3.53]) id QQdlnk04612; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by winter.news.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10274; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:08:13 -0400 (EDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: news From: "distressed " Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Famous people's sentences on Bhagavad-gita Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:04:35 -0400 Organization: Home PC Lines: 56 Message-ID: <625e5d$a0m@winter.news.erols.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: phd-as15s16.erols.com X-Received-On: 16 Oct 1997 16:08:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Status: RO X-Status: The Gita is a diamond among scriptures. Here are some thoughts on Bhagvad Gita by some famous western thinkers: Ralph Waldo Emerson: "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagvat-gita. It was the first of books; it was as if an empire spake to us, nothing small or unworthy, but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same questions that exercise us". In a letter to Max Muller he wrote, that he prized the first chapter. The dialogue between Krishna and Arjuna are wonderful. Henry David Thoreau: " In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the Bhagavad Gita in comparison with which our modern world and its literature seems puny". Source:" Walden" chapter 16. Warren Hastings, the Governor General was so impressed by the philosophy that he engaged a Sanskrit teacher to teach him Sanskrit and the Vedanta. He wrote a preface to Charles Wilkins' translation of the Bhagvad Gita: " The writers of the Indian philosophies will survive, when the British dominion in India shall long have ceased to exist, and when the sources which it yielded of wealth and power are lost to remembrances". Wilhelm von Humboldt pronounced it: "the most beautiful, perhaps the only true philosophical song existing in any known tongue ....perhaps the deepest and loftiest thing the world has to show". Source: Will Durant, " Our Oriental Heritage" Aldous Huxley: "The Gita is one of the clearest and most comprehensive summaries of the Perennial Philosophy ever to have been made. Hence its enduring value, not only for Indians, but for all mankind". Other names are: Romain Rolland, Victor Cousin, Arthur Shopenhauer, Count H.Keyserling, Louis Jacolliot, Robert Oppenheimer, Herder, poet T.S.Eliot, William B.Yeats. etc.. Indian thinkers include M.Gandhi, J.Nehru, S.Radhakrishnan, Swami Vivekanada etc. Hope this helps. Om Shanti! Tomá¹ Poslt wrote in message ... >Namaste! I am asking you for help. >Please tell me if you know if some famous people said something about Bhagavad-gita and what is this saying exactly. For example heard that >Thank you in advance. From - Thu Oct 16 04:31:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by mail.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id EAA18655 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id VAA10232 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu by relay2.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) id QQdllp02656; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.8.7/NMSU) id WAA13703; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:25:28 -0600 (MDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: rhea!skulshre From: "S. KULSHRESHTHA" Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Bridal dressing Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:22:14 -0600 Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rhea.nmsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: skulshre@rhea To: babs sonnenberg In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: The red color being very bright, is very sacred and pious in Hindu religion. This color is auspicious in Hindu culture and is a simbol of enthusing or creating or bigining or nurturing of life. That is t is also a simbol of being married for a woman whose husband is living (not died). In Hindu culture the actual life foe a girl starts only when she gets married and goes to her husband's place after marriage. That is why bridal dress is red. Not only it is bridal dress, also Hindu women put red color (known as sindoor) in their hair parting a sign of being married and having a living husband. Also these women decorate their palms at the time of their marriage and on other auspicious occasions with a paste of leaves found abundantly in India (known as mehandi and has medicinal value) which after drying leaves bright red colored artistic designs on their hands and feet. Again hands decorated with such designs in red color are symbol for a wife/woman whose husband is living. The mark which is put on the foreheads of all persons on auspicious occasions and at the time of marriages, is also of red color (known as tilak applied with roli). It is suposed to be very sacred for Hindus and is a symbol of showing respect and honour to the persons and wishing them very best, prosperity and success in life. On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, babs sonnenberg wrote: > I would like to know why hindu brides are clad in red bridal garb on > their wedding day...what is the significance of this.?------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > From - Thu Oct 16 04:01:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from netcom2.netcom.com ([192.100.81.108]) by mail3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id EAA24719 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rutgers.RUTGERS.EDU (RUTGERS.EDU [165.230.4.76]) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id WAA21750 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (vixen.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.49]) by rutgers.RUTGERS.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA13487 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA15336; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:00:30 -0500 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: ux7.cso.uiuc.edu!g-rao From: Gautham Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Translation Request (Sanskrit) (fwd) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:00:28 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 44 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux7.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: g-rao@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: <344577FB.9E3237A7@t-iii.com> Status: RO X-Status: Thanks. I realized later that this was so. I couldn't make out due to the English transliteration barrier. Thanks very much. On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Sunder Rajan wrote: > Nrsingadeva is actually a Modification of Nara-Simha Deva. Meaning the > 4th incarnation of Sri Vishnu, who incarnated with a Human Body and > -Lion's Head to slay Hiranyakashipu, the Father of Prahlada. > > Sunder. > > Gautham wrote: > > > Gopala = the one who takes cares of the cows > > Radha-ramanahari = Hari, Lord of Radha > > Govindam = Lord of the Cows > > Prabhupada = Feet of the lord > > Nrsingadeva = deva means God; but I can't make out the root of the > > word > > nrisinga > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > Gautham. > > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:46:34 GMT > > >From: MKHoops@aol.com > > >Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu > > > > I have something in sanskrit that I am trying to translate and your > > help > > would be greatly appreciated. The only words that I have not found > > meanings > > for are gopala, radha-ramanahari, nrsingadeva, prabhupda, and > > govindam. If > > you know the meanings of any one of these please write back. Thank > > you very > > much. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed Oct 15 20:40:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by mail3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id UAA13382 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id UAA26166 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from columbine.singnet.com.sg by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: columbine.singnet.com.sg [165.21.81.38]) id QQdllm17572; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by columbine.singnet.com.sg id AA05652; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:34:56 +0800 To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: "Shyam" Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Translation Request (Sanskrit) (fwd) Date: 16 Oct 1997 03:34:56 GMT Organization: Singapore Telecommunications Ltd Lines: 13 Message-Id: <01bcd9e4$6a529860$49b515a5@default> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: ts900-13521.singnet.com.sg X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Status: RO X-Status: > Nrsingadeva = deva means God; but I can't make out the root of the word > nrisinga > > Hope that helps. > > Gautham. Nrsingadeva or Narsighadeva means the god with lion's head and human body. Shyam. From - Wed Oct 15 16:31:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id QAA03124 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bluebird.uchicago.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: bluebird.uchicago.edu [128.135.181.132]) id QQdlkw24338; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (news@localhost) by bluebird.uchicago.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) id SAA00826 for soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:27:25 -0500 Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Path: yukawa.uchicago.edu!trivedi From: trivedi@yukawa.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi) Subject: Re: REQUEST: Jesus in India Question X-Nntp-Posting-Host: yukawa.uchicago.edu Message-ID: Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of Chicago References: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:27:23 GMT Apparently-To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Status: RO X-Status: >> That's the problem: there is very little evidence for any theory, >> including what has been preached by Church authorities. :) > >But what if someone has seen it himself and touched by hand? I apologize but I don't understand what you mean. To clarify my own words: There is an 18 year gap in our knowledge of Jesus's life, approximately ages 12-30. I was saying that lacking some new evidence, any theory as to what took place during these formative years of his life would necessarily be speculative. Please note I am not saying that no new evidence can ever come to light! >> It is not claimed that Jesus was "preaching" Hinduism, but he >> could have been influenced by Indian thought. > >Very interesting idea - can you please tell me, unaware of this, >some things in Jesus' teachings influenced by Indian thought? Oh, for example: (1) His belief in reincarnation, which was sanitized away in official Christianity, but traces of which still survive in the Bible. (2) His emphasis on nonviolence is very similar to Jain and Buddhist doctrines (then five centuries old), but quite removed from Middle Eastern religious thought of the day. As history showed, this side of Jesus too does not seem to have appealed to West in general and Church in particular. :) (3) In their use of statues (not only of Jesus but Mary as well), candles, water, and other icons, Catholic churches and services came to resemble their Hindu counterparts far more than their supposed Jewish origins. Of course, this points to Indian influences not on Jesus necessarily but on early Christians. I hope this helps somewhat. With regards, Anil Trivedi From - Wed Oct 15 13:28:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id NAA19847 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) id QQdlkj02441; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.8.7/NMSU) id OAA14092; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:30:38 -0600 (MDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: rhea!skulshre From: "S. KULSHRESHTHA" Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST: Jesus in India Question Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:27:24 -0600 Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rhea.nmsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: skulshre@rhea To: "Jerzy Tarasiuk; remove the '='" In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: Hi Jerzy, The concept of soul, and life after death are two major concepts which learned anew by Jesus from Hinduism in India and then these were included in the various books of bible and his teachings. Thanks, Sanjeev On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Jerzy Tarasiuk wrote: > >>>>> Anil Trivedi writes: > > Hello, Anil > > > That's the problem: there is very little evidence for any theory, > > including what has been preached by Church authorities. :) > > But what if someone has seen it himself and touched by hand? > > > It is not claimed that Jesus was "preaching" Hindusim, but he could > > have been influenced by Indian thought. > > Very interesting idea - can you please tell me, unaware of this, > some things in Jesus' teachings influenced by Indian thought? > One I remember - Hinduism claims "all paths are equal", or alike, > is there any mark of the claim in Jesus' teachings? > > thanks in advance, > Jerzy------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > From - Wed Oct 15 13:22:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id NAA18087 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu by relay2.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) id QQdlkj26098; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.8.7/NMSU) id OAA13440; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:24:46 -0600 (MDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: rhea!skulshre From: "S. KULSHRESHTHA" Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Hanuman Prayer Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:21:32 -0600 Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rhea.nmsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: skulshre@rhea To: r29143@email.sps.com In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: Yes!!! In North India virtually most of the families enchant and recite Hanuman chaleesa ( a book of parayer for Shri hanuman having chalees that is forty verses in sanskrit). Thus any body can pray Lord hanuman any where at any time. Sanjeev On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, RAJALINGAM S wrote: > Hello there, > > Is anyone pls let me know is it ok to pray Lord Hanuman in a family > house......... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > From - Wed Oct 15 13:18:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id NAA05564 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) id QQdlkj04300; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.8.7/NMSU) id OAA13114; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:21:02 -0600 (MDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: rhea!skulshre From: "S. KULSHRESHTHA" Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Translation Request (Sanskrit) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:17:39 -0600 Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 93 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rhea.nmsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: skulshre@rhea To: MKHoops@aol.com In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: The meanings are: gopala = it is one of the names of lord Krishna, actually during his childhood at Vrindavan village in north India, he used to be cow boy (taking herd of cows for grazing to forests or green pastures and protecting them from wild beasts). Its a joint name from two words: go + pala. Meaning of go = cow, and meaning of pala = caretaker or person who protects and is responsible for the safety. radha-ramanhari = again one of the names of Lord Krishana. Radha was the name of her childhood friend and lover and wife of Lord Krishna. The word ramanhari means the one who steals the peace of mind that is, in this case of Radha. nrsingadeva = an in carnation of Hindu god, who had his upper part of body (up to lumbar region, face, chest and stomach) of a lion, and lower part of the body was of a man. He had his fore limbs (arms) of lion having big paws and very sharp and long nails like a lion. The word nrsingdeva is a joint name as follows: nr = male/man sing = lion deva = god This incarnation of god took place when in ancient or mythological time of Hindu, India, one king named Hrnakashyap proclaimed that he is the mightiest among all the three worlds (world under the ground, world on the surface of earth, and world above the ground in the sky), and he stressed that he is above god. He ordered that people should not worship God, they must worship him. He prohibited God worshiping. His own son when grew up, he disdained it and realised that god is mightier than his father, who was a simply a man. Knowing this the king, his father Hrnakashyap made several attempts to kill him by tricks for the reason that his son used to worship God. The name of this son was Prhalad. The king was always supported by his sister Holika, who also denied God and worshiped her own brother, the king. The king had a boon given by Hindu God Shiva. As per this boon, this king can not be killed by any man, or animal or bird, and he can not be killed by any type of weapon made and found in the three worlds. He also had boon from god that he can never be killed neither in day nor in night, thus rendering him virtually to be immortal. But knowing his attrocities and tortures and prohibition of God worshipping, the God Shiva himself took incarnation of Nrsingadeva to destroy him, keeping his promises in boon given to him as well as taking the responsibility of killing of such a person (The God Brahma is responsible for creating life, the God Vishnu for nurturing the life and the God Shiva is responsible for the death/destruction of life of man on earth), thus serving both the purposes at the same time. So one fine evening, when his pot of sins got completely filled and started overflowing, The God Shiva took incarcenation in the form of Nrsingdeva at that particular time in the day when neither it was day and nor the night had started that is when day and night join each other in the evening after sun set, the Nrsingadeva god came out of a pillar and produced himself in front of Hrnakashyap. He then grabbed Hrnakashyap and put him on his lift thigh and then using the claws of his forelimbs he tore him apart at that particular moment of union of day and night (evening) and thus killed him, keeping his all promises to Hrnakashyap as well his responsibility of taking care of the worldly life processes. prabhupda = one of the name given to Lord & god Krishna prabhu = god + upda = origin govindam = one of the names given to Lord Krishna it is a joint name from two words: gov = cows indam = god that is the person who was god of cows or the person who took care of cows like god takes care of man. Cows are very sacred in Hindu religion. They are never killed unless they die on their own. On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 MKHoops@aol.com wrote: > I have something in sanskrit that I am trying to translate and your help > would be greatly appreciated. The only words that I have not found meanings > for are gopala, radha-ramanahari, nrsingadeva, prabhupda, and govindam. If > you know the meanings of any one of these please write back. Thank you very > much.------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > From - Wed Oct 1 19:35:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id TAA20257 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.interpath.net by relay1.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mail.interpath.net [199.72.1.13]) id QQdjlh06211; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from interpath.com (sanford-204.interpath.net [207.59.2.204]) by mail.interpath.net (8.8.5/v1.0-cgb) with ESMTP id UAA07786 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3432E53D.AB792793@interpath.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:05:17 -0400 From: Dennis Kean Reply-To: DataLite@interpath.com Organization: DataLite X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Subject: REQUEST : Soul merging Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: Can anyone help me figure out what soul merging is about? Many thanx From - Wed Oct 1 17:19:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu (rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu [129.137.10.28]) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id RAA22733 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: editor@rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu Received: from localhost (editor@localhost) by rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu (8.7.2/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA13548 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:32:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu (8.7.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA10569 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:59:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from mail1.eznet.net by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mail1.eznet.net [207.50.128.20]) id QQdjgq19934; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:01:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from news.eznet.net (news1.eznet.net [207.50.128.5]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA28732 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:01:46 -0400 To: alt-hindu@uunet.uu.net From: "Hartmann International Services" Subject: REQUEST : Translation, English -> Hindi Message-ID: <01bccdcb$9c7ca1c0$728232cf@his> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Path: dialup50.roc-tc2.eznet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup50.roc-tc2.eznet.net Date: 30 Sep 97 17:58:06 GMT Lines: 8 Content-Type: text ReSent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:32:20 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-To: ghen@netcom.com ReSent-Message-ID: Status: RO X-Status: We have a very small English -> Hindi non technical job, approximately 100 words. If you are interested, please respond by e-mail or fax to 716 325 5422. Thanks, Judith Chapman Rochester, New York From - Wed Oct 1 11:55:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lori.zippo.com (lori.zippo.com [207.211.168.36]) by mail3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id LAA24989 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from http@localhost) by lori.zippo.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24600; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:15:34 -0700 (PDT) To: ghen@netcom.com Path: newsp.zippo.com!zdrn From: Victoria@zippo.com Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: REQUEST : Who or What is Mahalami? Date: 1 Oct 1997 11:15:33 -0700 Organization: None Lines: 1 Message-ID: <60u405$o0m@drn.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.21.232.130 Status: RO X-Status: I need to know Who or What is Mahalami? From - Tue Sep 30 20:22:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id UAA06996 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from madison.interport.net by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) id QQdjib02210; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from broadway.interport.net (broadway.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.4]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25101 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by broadway.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA05746; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:21:22 -0400 (EDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: rugosa Subject: REQUEST : Help Feed Addicts Prasadam Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:36:54 +0000 Organization: Better Living Thru Better Living Lines: 38 Message-ID: <34318D16.6560EC8B@interport.net> Reply-To: rugosa@interport.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts10port4.port.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------036291478B31255EF81432EC" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------036291478B31255EF81432EC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit in NYC. Help feed 1,000 destitute, poor, and/or heroin addicts and/or HIV+ people in New York City. click on the following text to go to the page describing how: http://www.interport.net/~rugosa/hkfr-photos.html and http://www.interport.net/~rugosa/hkfr-2.html --------------036291478B31255EF81432EC Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for rosaphil Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: rosaphil n: ;rosaphil org: Better Living Thru Better Living email;internet: rugosa@interport.net x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------036291478B31255EF81432EC-- From - Tue Sep 30 16:12:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from agate.berkeley.edu (agate.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.1]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id QAA07457 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news3.ispnews.com (news3.ispnews.com [209.69.73.254]) by agate.berkeley.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09846 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by news3.ispnews.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA03318; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:35:32 -0400 (EDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: Shree Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Hindu Wedding Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:38:12 -0400 Organization: ISPNews Lines: 19 Message-ID: <34311CE4.F01957B1@usa.net> References: <60onu2$9uo$1@news.ececs.uc.edu> Reply-To: shree@usa.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn17cs13.usaor.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) To: ChristRM@aol.com Status: RO X-Status: ChristRM@aol.com wrote: > I am a student at Lakeland College in Wisconsin. I am doing a paper > comparing the traditions of Hinduism,Buddism and Christian marriage > traditions. I would like information on the vows and on the traditions of > marriage for my paper. I would really like it if someone could help my out. > Thank you!!! namaskaar, You may want to see http://www.eng.uci.edu/students/pfluegl/1995.11.18.RavisWeddingInIndia.html which has details about a south Indian Wedding. dhanyavaad, shree -- email: shree@usa.net website: http://members.tripod.com/~satsang From - Tue Sep 30 15:53:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by mail.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id PAA12184 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com [199.35.181.13]) id QQdjeo02615; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA24703; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:40:48 -0700 (PDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: news From: Miguel Rodriguez Subject: WWW : Hare Krishna Site at Camp Pendelton Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:36:48 +0900 Organization: Netcom Lines: 1 Message-ID: <342FCB10.40C1@hotmail.com> Reply-To: abc@hotmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cco-fl1-01.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Sep 29 9:40:47 PM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Status: RO X-Status: http://www2.netcom.com/~okinawa/krishna.html From - Tue Sep 30 14:42:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from gate.usaor.net (gate.usaor.net [204.157.146.1]) by mail3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id OAA16582 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usa.net (dyn19cs11.usaor.net [205.199.35.83]) by gate.usaor.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07925 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <343172AC.968CF35B@usa.net> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:44:12 -0400 From: Shree Reply-To: shree@usa.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.marathi,soc.culture.indian.gujarati,soc.culture.indian.delhi To: SRH Subject: INFO : pitR^i tarpaNam.h - Oct 1, 1997 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: namaskaar, pitR^i tarpaNam.h (Offering water and sesame seed libations to deceased ancestors) On 1st of October 1997 is the end of PitRipakshha. It is also known as the mahalaya amavasya. Pitra paksha is the 15 days of dark half of the month of bhaadrapada (normally in september). These 15 days are allotted to our departed ancestors. Water libations with black sesame (with kusha grass if available) is offered to each of the departed soul. TarpaNa (offering of water) is done by sitting facing South (direction), holding a pinch of black sesame seeds (if available) on the right palm, pour water on them and let the water flow in the space between the thumb and the fore finger of right hand into a tray or plate (tilt the right hand palm towards right so that the water flows out, wetting the sesame seeds, thru the space between thumb and forefinger) Those who would like details of the mantras may please see http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8891/index.html dhanyavaad shree -- email: shree@usa.net website: http://members.tripod.com/~satsang From - Tue Sep 30 08:43:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from gate.usaor.net (gate.usaor.net [204.157.146.1]) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id IAA22302 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usa.net (dyn17cs13.usaor.net [205.199.35.145]) by gate.usaor.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27177 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34311E3E.18C5DEAF@usa.net> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:43:58 -0400 From: Shree Reply-To: shree@usa.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SRH Subject: Re : REQUEST : South Indian Hindu Wedding Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: ChristRM@aol.com wrote: > > I am a student at Lakeland College in Wisconsin. I am doing a paper > comparing the traditions of Hinduism,Buddism and Christian marriage > traditions. I would like information on the vows and on the traditions of > marriage for my paper. I would really like it if someone could help my out. > Thank you!!! namaskaar, You may want to see http://www.eng.uci.edu/students/pfluegl/1995.11.18.RavisWeddingInIndia.html which has details about a south Indian Wedding. dhanyavaad, shree -- email: shree@usa.net website: http://members.tripod.com/~satsang From - Mon Oct 20 12:17:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from MAILBOX.ECON.AG.GOV (MAILBOX.econ.ag.gov [151.121.64.123]) by mail.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with SMTP id MAA06784 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by MAILBOX.ECON.AG.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:14:14 -0400 Message-ID: <344BAE50.B59@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:17:36 -0400 From: Ram Chandran Reply-To: chandran@tidalwave.net Organization: Personal X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Soc.Religion.Hindu" Subject: ARTICLE : Vedanta Rasam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO X-Status: Vedanta Rasam The verses in Gita are direct revelations of the divinity. Every verse in Gita discusses an important aspect of spiritual growth. Gita describes the Divine qualities of the Self-realized person in Chapter 2: verses, 55 to 72. I believe that verse 71, contains the essence of the Vedantic philosophy in a nutshell. This verse in poetic form uses a powerful simile to describe the transformation of human soul after its merger with the divinity! The divine qualities of the Self-realized soul are described in no uncertain terms. Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 2, Verse 71: Aapuryamaanam acala-pratistham samudram aapah pravisanti yadvat tadvat kama yam pravisanti sarve sa saantim aapnoti na kaama-kaami English Translation By Dr. Radhakrishnan: He unto whom all desires enter as waters into the sea, which, though ever being filled is ever motionless, attains to peace and not he who hugs his desires. The science of Vedanta as expressed in Gita combines both the scientific rationale and the mystic experience. We can possibly apply scientific rationale to explain rains, rivers and oceans. Science also explains why water is essential for the survival of life in this planet. Scientists have developed models to predict the time, location and the amount of rain fall with a higher level of precision than ever before. They can try to explain why rain waters fill the rivers and why rivers can't be recognized when they reach the ocean. But science has its own limitations. When Scientific explanations fail to satisfy the human mind, mystic experiences enter to fill up the gap. Those experiences bring inner peace, happiness and stability to the agitating human brain. Science can explain neither the reasons for the searching for inner peace nor it can explain how to attain peace. Mystic experiences do occur when we walk along the beaches, stand on the banks of a river and climbing over the top of the mountain. Sometime inner peace and tranquility are established while sitting quietly and doing nothing! The boundless beauty of oceans, rivers, mountains and silence is Divine and is beyond Science. Science identifies water as the material connection between rain, river, ocean and life. The subtle connection between material objects and life comes from mysticism. Science is an explanation and mysticism is an experience. Scientists may be able to prove that there can be no life without water. Vedanta explains that the universal consciousness is the spiritual connectivity across the planet. The Mundaka Upanishad states " As the flowing rivers disappear in the sea, losing their name and form, so does a wise man freed from name and form go into the Divine Spirit greater than the great." This verse portrays a visual picture to explain the spiritual transformation of the materialistic life. Lord Krishna describes the spiritual man with the divine qualities using a powerful poem. When rivers reach the ocean, they are no more called rivers and the qualities of the river disappear instantaneously. When the materialistic human becomes spiritual, he is no more human and he becomes the Brahman. There is no better substitute than ocean to represent Eternal Truth. The vast boundless ocean is motionless, serene and SILENT. Ocean is always FULL and human intelligence has no capacity to imagine an empty ocean! The nerve center for human desires is mind which undergoes changes with the spiritual growth. Rain waters represent the desires and rivers represent the spiritual path to human life. A spiritual path requires dedication, determination, love and discipline to divert our desires to satisfy community needs and abandon selfishness. Spiritual life has a sense of direction, purpose and destination. The waters of the rivers flow through the planet for the survival of the subjects which include humans, animals, plants and insects. The spiritual person, similarly, proceeds the life with desires and duties for the betterment of the society. The river merging with the ocean is the symbolic union of Atman and Brahman. Just like the rivers which became the ocean, the spiritual people become the Brahman. The human mind vanishes to become the Divine mind and True Divine Nature is reestablished. The True Divine Nature establishes the PURE Mind and all desires are fulfilled without experiencing plurality. It retains the Stable Mind, Peace, Happiness, Kindness, Goodness, Generosity and Love. This verse also contains a subtle message on the Nature of the Brahman! At the realized stage desires do not disappear but all those desires will have no effect on the Pure Divine Mind. This description of Brahman is significantly differs from "Nirvana," the concept of Buddhism. The person at the Nirvana state will have no desires. People who want "No desires" need the DESIRE of no desires! I would argue that when humans apply literal meanings to the concepts developed from Divine Experience, they appear contradictory. In reality there can be no difference between Divine experiences that originate from any religion whether it is from Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Islam or other. Purity of mind and divine qualities represent the common denominator of all religions. The divine the unity is visible only with the Divine Vision. Minds that are corrupt like ours enjoy temporary pleasure by projecting differences and divisions across religions, cultures and races. Note: Please note that the explanations given above come from human thinking and have their limitations. I am aware of the pitfalls and please forgive my errors. For interested readers, commentaries from Swami Chinmayananda and Tilak are included. If any of you have access to other commentaries, please post them so that we get more insights. Swami Chinmayananda's Interpretation: "It is a well-known example that although gallons of waters reach the ocean through the various rivers, yet the level of water in the ocean does not change even by a fraction. Similarly, even though through the five sense-channels the infinite number of sense-objects may pour in their stimuli, they do reach the mental zone of the Perfect Man (Self-realized) and yet they do not create any commotion or flux in his bosom. Such an individual who is ever finding his own level in spite of the fact that he is living amidst the sense-objects, is called a Man of Perfection - a true saint. And Krishna asserts that such an individual alone can truely discover peace and happiness in himself. The Lord of the Gita, not satisfied with this negative assertion, positively denies any true peace or joy to those who are ‘desirers of desires. .................. The Gita herein is only repeating what the Upanishadic Rishis are never tired of emphasizing in the scriptures of India. The desirers of desires can never come to perfect peace (santi). Only one who has in his spirit o detachment gained a complete control over his mind so that the sense-objects of the outer world cannot create in him an infinite number of yearnings of desires, he alone is the man of peace and joy. The objects in the outer world cannot themselves tease a man by their existence or by their nonexistence. The outer world can borrow its capacity to ill-treat man only when the individual exposes himself unguarded, and thus he gets wounded and crushed by his own attachments to a wrong valuation of the sense-objects." Interpretation by Bal Gangadhar Tilak and Translated by Sukthankar: "Just as all water enters, from all sides, the sea, of which the shores are not transgressed, though it is being filled on all sides, so is (true) tranquility obtained by that person who is entered by all objects of sense (without disturbing his tranquility); not by one, who desires the objects of sense. This does not mean that one should abandon action in order to attain tranquility; what is meant is that the minds of ordinary people are confused by the Hope of Fruit. Whatever the number of actions he has to perform, his peace of Mind is not disturbed, and he performs them remaining as peaceful as the sea; and he does not, therefore, suffer from pain or happiness." Reference: "The Bhagavadgita" by S. Radhakrishnan, Blackie & Son Publishers, Bombay. "Sreemad Bhagawad Geeta" by Swami Chinmayananda, Chinmaya Mission. "Srimad Bhagavadgita-Rahasya or Karma-Yoga-Sastra" by S Bal Gangadhar Tilak and Translated by B. A. Sitaram Sukthankar, Poona. From - Sun Oct 19 16:12:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from agate.berkeley.edu (agate.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.1]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id QAA22347 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (vixen.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.49]) by agate.berkeley.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA18670 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA08819; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:11:31 -0500 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: ux8.cso.uiuc.edu!g-rao From: Gautham Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: REQUEST : Holika Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:11:29 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux8.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: g-rao@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu Status: RO X-Status: Hello Everyone, Can anyone tell me the story of Holika, the sister of Hiranyakashipu in the Prahlad story? I know that she got burned by the fire despite the fact that she had a boon that she wouldn't get burned, she did. If anyone can give me the details, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Gautham. From - Sun Oct 19 08:49:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by mail.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id IAA27443 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 08:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mapperley.innotts.co.uk by relay1.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mapperley.innotts.co.uk [194.176.128.4]) id QQdlyl11684; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by mapperley.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA29951 for soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:55:14 +0100 (BST) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net From: "PETE" Subject: REQUEST : when is Diwali? Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Organization: HOME Message-ID: <01bcdca4$e782fd80$1582b0c2@pete> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: seriala14.innotts.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: seriala14.innotts.co.uk Date: 19 Oct 97 15:55:13 GMT Lines: 12 Status: RO X-Status: Hi Could anyone tell me when Diwali is being officially celebrated in England? Also, could you let me know if you are aware of any celebrations in Nottingham or Leicester. Please e-mail me. Thanks. Pete. From - Sat Oct 18 19:32:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from milhouse.infohouse.com ([206.30.88.4]) by netcom21.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id TAA23334 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 19:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [208.151.41.80] by milhouse.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO205e ID# 141-39833U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA168 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:28:02 -0400 X-Sender: ic11445@mail.infohouse.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: ghen@netcom.com From: cxhunter@tuna.net Subject: INFO : Kumbh Mela Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:28:02 -0400 Status: RO X-Status: There is no "Kumb Mela" until 2001. There is however a Magh Mela every year. You can contact the Indian Embassy in any major city for a list of specific festival dates for any given year. From - Sat Oct 18 18:05:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mail.ucsd.edu (ucsd.ucsd.edu [132.239.254.201]) by mail3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id SAA29345 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from node17.frontiernet.net (node17.frontiernet.net [205.232.174.25]) by mail.ucsd.edu; id SAA12114 sendmail 8.8.5/UCSD8.3 via ESMTP Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:04:02 -0700 (PDT) for Received: (from news@localhost) by node17.frontiernet.net (8.8.6/8.7) id VAA31418 for soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 21:04:00 -0400 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: athiest Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST: Jesus in India Question Date: 19 Oct 1997 01:04:00 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 51 Message-ID: <34492629.2C42@nowhere.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: d8-4-238.new-york-metro.dialup.ans.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Status: RO X-Status: Jerzy Tarasiuk wrote: > > >>>>> Anil Trivedi writes: > > Hello, Anil > > > That's the problem: there is very little evidence for any theory, > > including what has been preached by Church authorities. :) > > But what if someone has seen it himself and touched by hand? What does that sentence mean ???? > > It is not claimed that Jesus was "preaching" Hindusim, but he could > > have been influenced by Indian thought. > > Very interesting idea - can you please tell me, unaware of this, > some things in Jesus' teachings influenced by Indian thought? > One I remember - Hinduism claims "all paths are equal", or alike, > is there any mark of the claim in Jesus' teachings? Can you provide any scholarly references to back your assertion that "Hinduism claims all paths are equal, or alike" ? The concept is not "all paths are equal, or alike", but all attempts at gaining an insight into Reality are valid. To quote Rig Veda : "There is one Reality, though the wise speak of it in many ways". It does not mean that all the ways are ALIKE or SAME. Just that they are many ways. One NEEDS to have a good grasp of the nuances of a language when discussing philosophy or theology. I wonder whether you posses it as far as English is concerned. As to whether this concept had been ever taught by Jesus, I doubt very much. Even if it was, such a concept would be very distasteful to any DOGMATIC theology , and to any INSTITUTION like the Roman Catholic Church whose very survival DEPENDS on EXCLUSIVE CLAIMS to TRUTH. > > thanks in advance, > Jerzy------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Do not accept any opinion or conclusion just because it is found in the scriptures, or because a majority of people hold to it, or because it is a traditional belief, or because it is enunciated by a teacher." (Buddha) And don't tell me my pseudonym is mis-spelled, for I do not believe in spelling it right. From - Sat Oct 18 03:24:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id DAA24804 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 03:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neogeo.pacific.net.sg by relay5.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: neogeo.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.82]) id QQdltx04185; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 06:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by neogeo.pacific.net.sg (8.8.6/8.8.5) id SAA07082; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:24:17 +0800 (SGT) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: Giri Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: REQUEST : Any sites on Veda? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:24:15 +0800 Organization: Subscriber, Pacific Internet, Singapore Lines: 8 Message-ID: <34488E4E.5DD272E4@pacific.net.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn123ppp199.pacific.net.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I would like to read & understand the vedas. Is there any web sites or good books which provides the information present in the Vedas? Thanks, Giri From - Fri Oct 17 21:24:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from bath.mail.pipex.net (bath.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.4]) by mail3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with SMTP id VAA12326 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:24:36 -0700 (PDT) From: RCM0051@aol.com Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com (actually emout10.mx.aol.com) by bath.mail.pipex.net with SMTP (PP); Sat, 18 Oct 1997 05:22:52 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA14810 for soc-religion-hindu@pipex.net; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971018002136_-727158224@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: soc-religion-hindu@pipex.net Subject: REQUEST : Hindu Wedding Ceremonies Status: RO X-Status: Hello I need some information on the customs at Hindu wedding ceremonies - example flowers etc. Please direct me to any information or perhaps you may write me. Thank you for your time on this matter. RCM0051.aol.com From - Fri Oct 17 17:08:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by mail3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id RAA05522 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id HAA25405 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 07:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h1.uw.edu.pl by relay2.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: h1.uw.edu.pl [148.81.151.18]) id QQdlqv20905; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by h1.uw.edu.pl (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA15987; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:21:49 +0200 (MET DST) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: news From: jt@fuw.edu.pl (Jerzy Tarasiuk) Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST: Jesus in India Question Date: 17 Oct 1997 15:21:48 +0100 Organization: Warsaw University, Physics Department Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: jt@zfja-gate.fuw.edu.pl= (Jerzy Tarasiuk; remove the '=') NNTP-Posting-Host: fizyk1.fuw.edu.pl In-reply-to: trivedi@yukawa.uchicago.edu's message of Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:54:54 GMT X-Newsreader: (ding) Gnus v0.82 Status: RO X-Status: >>>>> Anil Trivedi writes: >>> That's the problem: there is very little evidence for any theory, >>> including what has been preached by Church authorities. :) >> But what if someone has seen it himself and touched by hand? > I apologize but I don't understand what you mean. To clarify Hello, Anil I mean living (today!) witnesses of Jesus' deeds. >> Very interesting idea - can you please tell me, unaware of this, >> some things in Jesus' teachings influenced by Indian thought? > Oh, for example: > (1) His belief in reincarnation, which was sanitized away in > official Christianity, but traces of which still survive in > the Bible. But... what is reason to assume He had such a belief? I don't see any trace of reincarnation in the Bible, can you please show me any? I suppose in its early history the Church didn't ever know such a view as reincarnation exists... > (2) His emphasis on nonviolence is very similar to Jain and > Buddhist doctrines (then five centuries old), but quite removed > from Middle Eastern religious thought of the day. As history Similar or not... I would like to know enough about these religions' views on nonviolence to compare. Anyway, what could be in country under Romans' occupation? Demand to fight? Jews tried it, and their country was destroyed. > showed, this side of Jesus too does not seem to have appealed > to West in general and Church in particular. :) Without nonviolence, the Church would perish quickly on begin. It is kept by many Christians, but it isn't easy to see because nonviolence is one of things which aren't noticeable easily... > (3) In their use of statues (not only of Jesus but Mary as well), > candles, water, and other icons, Catholic churches and services > came to resemble their Hindu counterparts far more than their Well, it is in practice, but wasn't in Jesus' teachings. Show one place where He tells statues should be done. Some statues were in Jews practice - note Ark of the Covenant, with statues of angels on its top. Candles and water also came from Jews practice. The exception are icons, which were forbidden for Jews - since they believed no one could see God it was nonsense to even try to paint Him. This changed since Christianity accepted Jesus as God. Any other ideas? Jerzy From - Fri Oct 17 17:03:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mercury.aichem.arizona.edu (mercury.aichem.Arizona.EDU [128.196.184.138]) by mail3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with SMTP id RAA04731 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mercury.aichem.arizona.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA25069; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:59:09 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:59:08 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: ghen@netcom.com Subject: INFO : GHEN/HSC and Hindu University Collaboration Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Namaskar, Global Hindu Electronic Networks and Hindu Students Council are pleased to announce an arrangement whereby HSC members who enroll in courses at the Hindu University of America will receive a special discount for the courses taken. GHEN will sponsor a special page on Hindu University of America on its web site, the Hindu Universe. The Hindu Universiry page on GHEN may be accessed by : http://www.hindunet.org/hindu-university/ Hindu University of America is an accredited University that offers college level correspondence and on-campus courses. More information about the Hindu University of America and its course catalog can be obtained from : http://www.hindu-university.edu GHEN is a project of Hindu Students Council. More information about HSC can be obtained from : http://www.hindunet.org/hsc/ GHEN maintains an extensive site on Hind dharma, The Hindu Universe http://www.hindunet.org regards, ajay shah From - Fri Oct 17 12:24:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by mail.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id MAA23471 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h1.uw.edu.pl by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: h1.uw.edu.pl [148.81.151.18]) id QQdlqt14958; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by h1.uw.edu.pl (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA15057; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:50:24 +0200 (MET DST) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: news From: jt@fuw.edu.pl (Jerzy Tarasiuk) Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST: Jesus in India Question Date: 17 Oct 1997 14:50:23 +0100 Organization: Warsaw University, Physics Department Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: jt@zfja-gate.fuw.edu.pl= (Jerzy Tarasiuk; remove the '=') NNTP-Posting-Host: fizyk1.fuw.edu.pl In-reply-to: "S. KULSHRESHTHA"'s message of Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:54:58 GMT X-Newsreader: (ding) Gnus v0.82 Status: RO X-Status: >>>>> S KULSHRESHTHA writes: > The concept of soul, and life after death are two major concepts which > learned anew by Jesus from Hinduism in India and then these were included > in the various books of bible and his teachings. Hello, Sanjeev Just these concepts (both!) are in OT, written before Jesus' life. These concepts are also in ancient Greek religion, and most likely in many others (I don't know too much religions detaily enough). Jerzy From - Fri Oct 17 00:05:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from beaver.cs.washington.edu (beaver.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.1]) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id AAA06879 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nntp6.u.washington.edu (root@nntp6.u.washington.edu [140.142.64.7]) by beaver.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.1be+) with ESMTP id XAA10632 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by nntp6.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) id XAA45948 for soc-religion-hindu@beaver.cs.washington.edu; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:08:37 -0700 To: soc-religion-hindu@cs.washington.edu Path: saul7.u.washington.edu!apandey From: Anshuman Pandey Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST: Jesus in India Question Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:08:33 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Anshuman Pandey NNTP-Posting-Host: saul7.u.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: nntp6.u.washington.edu 877068517 18554 (None) 140.142.64.4 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-User: apandey In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Anil Trivedi wrote: > (3) In their use of statues (not only of Jesus but Mary as well), > candles, water, and other icons, Catholic churches and services > came to resemble their Hindu counterparts far more than their > supposed Jewish origins. Of course, this points to Indian > influences not on Jesus necessarily but on early Christians. Anil, you've given some fine examples, but I think the most important is the parallel between the Eucharist and prasadam. The etyomological derivation of the two words are surprising similar, as well as the concepts behind them. Regards, Anshuman Pandey From - Thu Oct 16 18:56:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu (rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu [129.137.10.28]) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id SAA00435 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: editor@rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu Received: from localhost (editor@localhost) by rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu (8.7.2/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA27203 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:50:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu (8.7.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA25105 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:04:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com by relay6.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com [199.35.181.15]) id QQdlmi27354; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:07:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: (from news@localhost) by sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA14754; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:07:24 -0700 (PDT) To: alt-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: news From: "Ian Read" Subject: REQUEST : Hinduism and knowledge of. . . Date: 16 Oct 1997 09:07:22 GMT Organization: StoryBook Farm Computers Lines: 53 Message-ID: <01bcda12$f80e8960$9a711fcc@BReadSBF.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: por-or10-26.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Oct 16 2:07:22 AM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Content-Type: text ReSent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:49:55 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-To: ghen@netcom.com ReSent-Message-ID: Status: RO X-Status: I was reading through the archives on the web of this group and read many thought provoking things and wanted to post some comments. I invite feedback of any sort, being that I am not very well versed in Hindu literature, culture or language. However, it is the faith that most appeals to me, the other two being Native American teachings and Buddism. Also, let me preference this by saying the original search I did was on Shiva and most of the reading I did was in a thread regarding Shiva and Vishnu. The only Hindu literature I have is a copy of the Bhagavad Gita. I have read a book on tantric sex, and also have done extensive tarot readings using the dakini deck. >From my reading, it seems that Krishna is the "consummate" deity being that he revealed the vision of the Godhead to Arjuna. His teachings about the Way to the Impershiable Brahmin are unquestionably the best decription of the path to enlightenment I have read. His manifestation encompasses all. Personally, I find Shiva more accessable to my own set of values and dharma. I am looking for more information regarding Shiva and the rudras. Being that this is the Kali Yuga, I think it makes sense that Shiva's persona not only appeals to me, but likely to the populous as a whole in this age. Also, its interesting that the Gita (at least according the notes in the version I have by Swami Nikhilananda) recogizes the "fact of creation but not the act of creation". This creates an interesting relationship in my mind between the functions of Shiva and Brahma. I haven't come to any conclusions, but this is of particular interest to me since I am a musician and deal with creativity everyday. Of course, in this light, I don't view what I create as a reflection of myself, but rather an impersonal channeling of the Universal Soul that is occuring without pause. I read in an issue of High Times that Shiva is an advocate of marijuana use (he's always high). This is another characteristic of Shiva that appeals to me. I really don't know that much about Vishnu or his incarnations besides Krishna. I would welcome any insight regarding Vishnu because at this point I don't have an exactly balanced knowledge base regarding the Hindu trinity. I am especially interested in specific myths and legends regarding the supernatural powers of the divine incarnations of these deities. I am located in Portland, Oregon and am hoping that I can connect with a knowledgable Hindi to discuss Hinduism in person, possibly even someone who can speak the language so I can hear the sounds that describe the Song of the Lord. Thanks, Ian From - Thu Oct 16 17:38:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from bath.mail.pipex.net (bath.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.4]) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with SMTP id RAA00633 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vixen.cso.uiuc.edu by bath.mail.pipex.net with SMTP (PP); Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:37:01 +0100 Received: (from news@localhost) by vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA16608; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:33:04 -0500 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: ux9.cso.uiuc.edu!g-rao From: Gautham Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Hanuman Prayer Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:33:02 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 64 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux9.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: g-rao@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu To: "S. KULSHRESHTHA" In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: Yes, I agree. It is a form of Devnagri very close to Hindi, but further from Sanskrit. I have read the Hanuman Chaleesaa many times. It is a very good prayer book. On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, S. KULSHRESHTHA wrote: > > > > That is also, but actually it is devnagri language in which Chaleesa is > written, and this language is derived from sanskrit, and is closer to > hindi. > > Thanks, > > Sanjeev > > > > On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, gautham karkala rao wrote: > > > > > Yes, you are correct in that people read the Hanumaan Chaalisaa, but it is > > not in Sanskrit. It is written in middle Hindi, NOT Sanskrit. > > > > > > > > On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, S. KULSHRESHTHA wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Yes!!! > > > > > > In North India virtually most of the families enchant and recite Hanuman > > > chaleesa ( a book of parayer for Shri hanuman having chalees that is forty > > > verses in sanskrit). Thus any body can pray Lord hanuman any where at any > > > time. > > > > > > Sanjeev > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, RAJALINGAM S wrote: > > > > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > > > Is anyone pls let me know is it ok to pray Lord Hanuman in a family > > > > house......... > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gautham K. Rao Univ of Illinois g-rao@uiuc.edu Champaign-Urbana 217-332-3111 Biochemistry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From - Thu Oct 16 17:19:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id RAA29595 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) id QQdlor25993; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.8.7/NMSU) id SAA17876; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:22:18 -0600 (MDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: rhea!skulshre From: "S. KULSHRESHTHA" Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Hanuman Prayer Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:19:04 -0600 Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rhea.nmsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: skulshre@rhea To: gautham karkala rao In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: That is also, but actually it is devnagri language in which Chaleesa is written, and this language is derived from sanskrit, and is closer to hindi. Thanks, Sanjeev On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, gautham karkala rao wrote: > > Yes, you are correct in that people read the Hanumaan Chaalisaa, but it is > not in Sanskrit. It is written in middle Hindi, NOT Sanskrit. > > > > On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, S. KULSHRESHTHA wrote: > > > > > > > Yes!!! > > > > In North India virtually most of the families enchant and recite Hanuman > > chaleesa ( a book of parayer for Shri hanuman having chalees that is forty > > verses in sanskrit). Thus any body can pray Lord hanuman any where at any > > time. > > > > Sanjeev > > > > > > On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, RAJALINGAM S wrote: > > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > Is anyone pls let me know is it ok to pray Lord Hanuman in a family > > > house......... > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From - Thu Oct 16 10:40:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from jazz.ncren.net ([128.109.131.6]) by mail.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id KAA16685 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (vixen.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.49]) by jazz.ncren.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07092 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA23036; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:33:48 -0500 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: ux9.cso.uiuc.edu!g-rao From: gautham karkala rao Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Hanuman Prayer Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:33:47 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux9.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: g-rao@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: Yes, you are correct in that people read the Hanumaan Chaalisaa, but it is not in Sanskrit. It is written in middle Hindi, NOT Sanskrit. On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, S. KULSHRESHTHA wrote: > > > Yes!!! > > In North India virtually most of the families enchant and recite Hanuman > chaleesa ( a book of parayer for Shri hanuman having chalees that is forty > verses in sanskrit). Thus any body can pray Lord hanuman any where at any > time. > > Sanjeev > > > On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, RAJALINGAM S wrote: > > > Hello there, > > > > Is anyone pls let me know is it ok to pray Lord Hanuman in a family > > house......... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu Oct 16 10:32:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by mail.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id KAA15975 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.ncren.net (jazz.ncren.net [128.109.131.6]) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id JAA03718 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suriname.it.earthlink.net (suriname-c.it.earthlink.net [206.250.118.79]) by jazz.ncren.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06467 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by suriname.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) id JAA29924; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:28:40 -0700 (PDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: usenet From: billsf@earthlink.net (Bill Bailey) Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Request: Dhanvantari Mantras Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:21:43 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <34463eb8.18640771@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: billsf@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.37.66.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Status: RO X-Status: Perhaps some kind soul can help: Are there any mantras specific to Bhagvan Dhanvantari? Please e-mail me privately if you wish. Many thanks, Bill Bill Bailey billsf@earthlink.net From - Tue Oct 21 21:03:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from srirangam.be.com ([207.113.215.67]) by mail.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id UAA03030 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mani@localhost) by srirangam.be.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA03533; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:49:21 -0700 Sender: mani@be.com From: Mani Varadarajan Reply-to: Mani Varadarajan To: ghen@netcom.com Subject: Re: REQUEST : Hanuman Prayer References: Date: 21 Oct 1997 17:49:18 -0700 In-Reply-To: "S. KULSHRESHTHA"'s message of Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:32:44 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.2.25/XEmacs 19.14 Status: RO X-Status: "S. KULSHRESHTHA" writes: > > That is also, but actually it is devnagri language ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "devanAgari" is a script, not a language. It represents the script in which some North Indian languages are today written including Hindi and Marathi, and in which Sanskrit is often written. Sanskrit, however, is not tied to one particular script. In a practice that continues in large part even today, Sanskrit scholars have historically written the language in the script native to their part of the country. Kannada script is used by Kannada speakers, Grantha (related to Tamil) by Tamils, Telugu script by Telugu speakers, devanAgari by those in the Hindi belt, Bengali script by Bengalis, etc. Mani From - Tue Oct 21 19:05:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from srirangam.be.com ([207.113.215.67]) by mail3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id SAA13669 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mani@localhost) by srirangam.be.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA03509; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:42:22 -0700 Sender: mani@be.com From: Mani Varadarajan Reply-to: Mani Varadarajan To: ghen@netcom.com Subject: Re: ARTICLE : Vedanta Rasam References: Date: 21 Oct 1997 17:42:14 -0700 In-Reply-To: Ram Chandran's message of Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:31:39 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.2.25/XEmacs 19.14 Status: RO X-Status: Ram Chandran writes: > In reality there can be > no difference between Divine experiences that originate from any > religion whether it is from Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Islam or > other. Please, can we avoid this anti-intellectual, unnecessarily feel-good, downright false theological minimalism? The divine experiences of these religious traditions are markedly different and varied. Or can you prove otherwise? Mani From - Tue Oct 21 14:37:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lism.usc.edu (lism.usc.edu [128.125.56.8]) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id OAA12299 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pradip@localhost) by lism.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) id NAA22016 for ghen@netcom.com; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:32:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Pradip Gangopadhyay Message-Id: <199710212032.NAA22016@lism.usc.edu> To: ghen@netcom.com Subject: REQUEST : Any sites on Veda? Status: RO X-Status: Giri wrote: Subject: REQUEST : Any sites on Veda? >Hi, >I would like to read & understand the vedas. Is there any web sites or >good books which provides the information present in the Vedas? >Thanks, >Giri You should contact the Ramakrishna Vedanta Center in Singapore. They should be able to help you get good books about the Vedas. Regards Pradip From - Tue Oct 21 12:55:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from news2.ispnews.com (news2.ispnews.com [209.69.34.50]) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id MAA16378 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by news2.ispnews.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11175; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:32:05 -0400 (EDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: Shree Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Hanuman Prayer - Hanuman Chalisa - Text & Audio Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:34:38 -0400 Organization: ISPNews Lines: 26 Message-ID: <344D03CE.9D690E2F@usa.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rs5ip216.usaor.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) To: ghen@netcom.com Status: RO X-Status: namaskaar, hanumaan chaalisaa is by goswaamii tulasiidaas and is probably in avadhii - writeen in the devanaagarii script. Hanuman Chalisa Text and Audio is accessible from http://www.hindunet.org/bhajans/texts/chaalisa.htm dhanyavaad, Shree S. KULSHRESHTHA wrote: > > Yes!!! > > In North India virtually most of the families enchant and recite Hanuman > chaleesa ( a book of parayer for Shri hanuman having chalees that is forty > verses in sanskrit). Thus any body can pray Lord hanuman any where at any > time. > > Sanjeev -- email: shree@usa.net website: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8891/ From - Tue Oct 21 01:12:47 1997 Return-Path: <"lwilliam@dycon.com"@dycon.com> Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by mail6 (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id BAA11938 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dycon.com by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: revelation.dycon.com [207.120.100.2]) id QQdmcl07538; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oem by dycon.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA18124; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:05:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199710201805.OAA18124@dycon.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:31:17 -0400 From: Lawrence Williams <"lwilliam@dycon.com"@dycon.com> Reply-To: "lwilliam@dycon.com"@dycon.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Subject: REQUEST : Information on Lingas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: trying to find some more information on lingrams... From - Mon Oct 20 23:20:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by mail6 (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id XAA20707 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vixen.cso.uiuc.edu by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.49]) id QQdmdz11025; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA12875; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:46:45 -0500 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: ux8.cso.uiuc.edu!g-rao From: Gautham Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Hindu Wedding Ceremonies Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:46:44 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux8.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: g-rao@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu To: RCM0051@aol.com cc: ghen@netcom.com In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: You might want to go to the Global Hindu Electronic Network homepage. http://www.hindunet.org I recall reading something about marriages in there. It might give you some information that you want in there. Gautham. On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 RCM0051@aol.com wrote: > Hello > > I need some information on the customs at Hindu wedding ceremonies - example > flowers etc. Please direct me to any information or perhaps you may write > me. > Thank you for your time on this matter. > > > From - Mon Oct 20 21:27:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id VAA03016 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bluebird.uchicago.edu by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: bluebird.uchicago.edu [128.135.181.132]) id QQdmeb21348; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (news@localhost) by bluebird.uchicago.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) id XAA00340 for soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:14:30 -0500 Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Path: yukawa.uchicago.edu!trivedi From: trivedi@yukawa.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi) Subject: Re: REQUEST: Jesus in India Question X-Nntp-Posting-Host: yukawa.uchicago.edu Message-ID: Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of Chicago References: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 04:14:24 GMT Apparently-To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Status: RO X-Status: >I mean living (today!) witnesses of Jesus' deeds. Anyone who has realized Divinity, whatever the guise and on whichever path, is lucky indeed. I would encourage him/her to continue. >But... what is reason to assume He had such a belief? >I don't see any trace of reincarnation in the Bible, can you >please show me any? I suppose in its early history the Church >didn't ever know such a view as reincarnation exists... Lately I have been focusing on physics, Hinduism, etc. and am not armed with Bible references. As you can imagine, when I logged in to read s.r.h I wasn't exactly expecting this discussion. :) However, I recall reading it myself and being struck by the implications; this was a few years ago and all I can do now is promise to try to find it for you. >> (2) His emphasis on nonviolence is very similar to Jain and >> Buddhist doctrines (then five centuries old), but quite removed >> from Middle Eastern religious thought of the day. As history > >Similar or not... I would like to know enough about these >religions' views on nonviolence to compare. You should learn about these religions. Buddhist attitude towards nonviolence would seem quite familiar to a true follower of Jesus. Jain standards for nonviolence are, if anything, stricter still. >Anyway, what could be in country under Romans' occupation? When I read Jesus's words, I don't get the sense that he is politically motivated. Surely someone as practical and clever as you suggest would not have ended up on the cross---an advisor to the Roman governor is more like it. No, I think he was deeper and more sincere than you give him credit for. >Without nonviolence, the Church would perish quickly on begin. >It is kept by many Christians, but it isn't easy to see because >nonviolence is one of things which aren't noticeable easily... You should not resist the simple truth here: The Church has violated just about every teaching of Jesus. They have hoarded wealth, pursued power, practised torure, sent armies to kill opponents,..., you name it! I am sorry, but to follow Jesus I think you need a little more honesty than I detect here. >> (3) In their use of statues (not only of Jesus but Mary as well), >> candles, water, and other icons, Catholic churches and services >> came to resemble their Hindu counterparts far more than their > >Well, it is in practice, but wasn't in Jesus' teachings. True. I said that this particular point showed Indian influences not on Jesus but among early Christians. You edited out that remark. >Any other ideas? I have just given you a few casual examples. Others have added the concept of a soul, Euchrist (which is similar to Hindu "prasadam"), etc. It is no big deal. All religions begin with God. Individuals, societies, cultures, religions, have always been influencing one another. However, if one just wants to be difficult, try to prove using Jesus's own words that he was a Jew. Or that Judea was being ruled by Rome. Or that there was a Rome. Or there existed an Old Testament as we know it. Not impossible, but it would be an educating exercise. :) With regards, Anil Trivedi From - Mon Oct 20 18:42:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from srirangam.be.com (srirangam.be.com [207.113.215.67]) by mail.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id OAA01610 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mani@localhost) by srirangam.be.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA28704; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:41:21 -0700 Sender: mani@be.com From: Mani Varadarajan Reply-to: Mani Varadarajan To: ghen@netcom.com Subject: Re: REQUEST: Jesus in India Question References: Date: 20 Oct 1997 12:41:17 -0700 In-Reply-To: trivedi@yukawa.uchicago.edu's message of Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:54:54 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 66 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.2.25/XEmacs 19.14 Status: RO X-Status: We should strive to show great respect for others' religions and traditions, if for no reason but to encourage them to do the same for ours. One element of this respect is to properly study religious source material as that tradition views it -- chances are that such a perspective is bound to be more authentic than ad hoc theorizing. trivedi@yukawa.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi) writes: > >Very interesting idea - can you please tell me, unaware of this, > >some things in Jesus' teachings influenced by Indian thought? > > Oh, for example: > (1) His belief in reincarnation, which was sanitized away in > official Christianity, but traces of which still survive in > the Bible. Jesus, above all, strove to be an ideal Jew, living according to Mosaic law. There is very little evidence that he believed in reincarnation, a concept that is alient to Judaism. A few Christian thinkers several centuries later, however, did believe in reincarnation. These theologians (such as Origen) were typically influenced by Plato, Aristotle, and other pre-Christian Greek philosophers who speculated about rebirth. It is dangerous to take stray sentences from the New Testament Gospels and quote them out of context. One could fabricate any theory suitable to one's liking otherwise. > (2) His emphasis on nonviolence is very similar to Jain and > Buddhist doctrines (then five centuries old), but quite removed > from Middle Eastern religious thought of the day. As history > showed, this side of Jesus too does not seem to have appealed > to West in general and Church in particular. :) Jesus's teachings on nonviolence restrict themselves to relationships between human beings, whereas Jain and Buddhist doctrines preach nonviolence to all living creatures. There is little doubt that Jesus ate meat and believed in the validity of animal sacrifice according to Mosaic law. [Remember the miracles of the loaves and _fishes_?] > (3) In their use of statues (not only of Jesus but Mary as well), > candles, water, and other icons, Catholic churches and services > came to resemble their Hindu counterparts far more than their > supposed Jewish origins. The Catholic use of images evolved at a much later time and cannot be traced directly to Jesus's teachings. Jesus was a firm believer in the Ten Commandments of God as laid out in the Old Testament -- recall that he declared that he came not to "destroy the law, but to fulfill it." This being the case, Jesus's statements in the Gospels nowhere indicate the use or approval of images in worship, and in all likelihood he was firmly against the usage of graven representations of God or any other spiritual entity in religious ceremonies. We need to face the idea that not all good or important things were originated in the Indian subcontinent, including Jesus's remarkably inspiring teachings. We should be wary of inventing fantastic theories or superimposing our own ideas on ancient traditions when there is no basis for doing so. Respect for others' traditions demands this. Mani From - Mon Oct 20 17:27:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from MAILBOX.ECON.AG.GOV (MAILBOX.econ.ag.gov [151.121.64.123]) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with SMTP id RAA26308 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by MAILBOX.ECON.AG.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:11:02 -0400 Message-ID: <344BAD8D.3FC@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:14:21 -0400 From: Ram Chandran Reply-To: chandran@tidalwave.net Organization: Personal X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Soc.Religion.Hindu" Subject: ARTICLE : Tolerance Toward Other Religious View Points Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: Tolerance Toward Other Religious View Points Religious tolerance is the best strategy to avoid making mistakes. It is a sign of maturity and not a sign of weakness. Religions just like languages are nothing more than a communication medium. Language is a communication medium between people and Religion is a communication medium between human and God. The existence of many languages and religions illustrate individual human preferences! The question: "Which religion is right?" is similar to asking? : "Which language is right?" The world consists of many religions, languages, people, culture, traditions, beliefs, color, geography, animals, birds, insects, trees, mountains, rivers. We are fortunate to live in a diversified and a challenging world than a monotonous boring world. The self-realization is nothing more than accepting the world as it is and adopts us to this reality. An expression of intolerance shows ignorance and lacks of consideration. Happiness, forgiveness, goodness and kindness are the gifts of God embodied in true human nature. The purpose of Satsang is to awaken the divinity within us and remove prejudice and bias. Our inborn nature is divine and we can witness our true nature by looking at a new born child. The child accepts everything given and looks for human contact at every opportune moment. The mother of the child gets back her inborn divinity and showers the child with infinite love and kindness. Children bring back the forgotten memory and we are able to exhibit enormous generosity, kindness, tolerance and understanding while dealing with our children. We enjoy their speeches and forgive their mistakes and mispronunciations. Birds, animals, flowers and trees who do not have memory exhibit divinity all the time. Nature is God's creation and we are responsible for the creation of intolerance, impatience and misery. We are responsible for our own pitfalls and downfalls. It is time that we regain our memory and divinity. Positive mental attitude is the God given virtue. Negative attitude is human creation. According to Advaita, Self-realization requires abandonment of negative human creations! Tolerance toward other viewpoints is just a favor to our-self. When we accuse others, we are the sufferers and not those who are accused! When we learn to accept other viewpoints, we learn to become happy. Politeness can never hurt us and rudeness will never help us. Rudeness is an expression of the agitated mind and divinity will disappear from our heart and soul. Duality will prevail as long we engage our mind in creating negative attitudes. Momentarily, mind starts the cycle of evaluation between the opposites - good and evil, joys and sorrow, sweet and bitter, love and hate, giving and begging, right and wrong, action and inaction, like and dislike, tolerance and rude, polite and crude, respect and disrespect, clean and dirty, truthful and untruthful, honest and dishonest, moral and immoral, ethical and unethical, etc. When we realize pitfalls of our own creation, we can understand our true nature and the divinity within us. The question of you, me, he, she and they will disappear and we can the thread that binds all of us. Religious scriptures signify TRUTH in different forms using different formulas. According to Advaita, Truth and the Knower of the Truth are the same. When we agree with this framework there, can be no observations. Observations require creation and they have no place in Advaitic Philosophy. When we eat an apple, it is a divine experience and tastes, textures, quality, etc. come from human creation. Adi Sankara who understood the fallacies of human creations and he declared that "creation is an illusion." Conflicts and duality come from illusory mind which projects intolerance and rudeness. With the absence of an illusory mind, serenity and divinity prevail in oceans, rivers, mountains, sky, stars, trees, animals, birds and insects. From - Fri Oct 17 15:56:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by mail3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id PAA25687 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id TAA05879 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news.cc.ucf.edu by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: news.cc.ucf.edu [132.170.240.111]) id QQdloz23034; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by news.cc.ucf.edu via sendmail with stdio id for soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:27:13 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #34 built 1997-May-1) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: pegasus!rcp38706 From: rcp38706@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Robert C Phillips) Subject: REQUEST : Info Request-Indian Literature Date: 17 Oct 1997 02:27:12 GMT Organization: University of Central Florida Lines: 15 Message-ID: <626ie0$5pj$2@news.cc.ucf.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pegasus.cc.ucf.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Status: RO X-Status: Hello! I am a graduate student studying literature. For one particular project, I am seeking as much information as possible about modern Indian literature, poetry and fiction. If you can assist me in finding any Websites, names of Indian authors and/or their works, reviews, criticisms, etc., please contact me via private e-mail. I am in the US, in Florida, and this information is a bit difficult to locate. Many thanks in advance to any who can help, and I apologize if this message has been posted more than once. Robert Phillips From - Fri Oct 24 13:16:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by mail3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id NAA12154 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h1.uw.edu.pl by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: h1.uw.edu.pl [148.81.151.18]) id QQdmrp17134; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by h1.uw.edu.pl (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA12328; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:15:51 +0200 (MET DST) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: news From: jt@fuw.edu.pl (Jerzy Tarasiuk) Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST: Jesus in India Question Date: 24 Oct 1997 21:15:51 +0100 Organization: Warsaw University, Physics Department Lines: 73 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: jt@zfja-gate.fuw.edu.pl= (Jerzy Tarasiuk; remove the '=') NNTP-Posting-Host: fizyk1.fuw.edu.pl In-reply-to: Mani Varadarajan's message of Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:14:27 GMT X-Newsreader: (ding) Gnus v0.82 Status: RO X-Status: >>>>> Mani Varadarajan writes: > of this respect is to properly study religious > source material as that tradition views it -- chances > are that such a perspective is bound to be more > authentic than ad hoc theorizing. Thanks for your really wise words. In fact, the "ad hoc theorizing" usually leads astray, and to avoid it, should be verified by more careful studies; from other side, too careful approach hardly finds new viewpoints, which the "ad hoc theorizing" sometimes discoveres. But much theorizing without verification is pretty waste of time. > in reincarnation, a concept that is alient to Judaism. A few In fact, I never met it in Bible. There was claim of some people Jesus spoke about it saying "John is Eliah", but they forgot what Bible says about end of Eliah - in Bible it wasn't death... > Christian thinkers several centuries later, however, did believe Maybe. I know writings of few of them only. > It is dangerous to take stray sentences from the New Testament Fact. I read somewhere there were experiments done - with success - to make criminal or porno story from the Bible quoting entire sentences, maybe even in original order. Size makes it possible. > Jesus's teachings on nonviolence restrict themselves to > relationships between human beings, whereas Jain and Buddhist > doctrines preach nonviolence to all living creatures. There And maybe there is yet another large and usually overlooked difference - what is source and purpose of the nonviolence. If I know correctly (I read a book written by some Catholic priest), Buddhist's nonviolence is directed toward becoming perfect, while Christians toward loving one another. Seems also Buddhist (I don't know Jain) doctrines are much more strict and therefore different - few year ago someone sent me a long letter showing things supporting an idea that it is wrong to call Jesus "the prince of peace". I suppose his address (Edward Brunelle ) is still valid (at least the ici.net exists), and he may be interested to discuss the topic (but maybe no other topic). I will not quote his article here - it would violate his rules, he has put on Usenet invitation to the discussion only. > is little doubt that Jesus ate meat and believed in the validity In fact, except few times fish eating was described, there is no info in Gospels what Jesus ate. There is info He sent disciples commanding them to eat (when they are invited to someone) what they (these inviting) have (meat not excluded). > of animal sacrifice according to Mosaic law. [Remember the Maybe He told about the sacrifice as image of his sacrifice. (I don't remember references now and I cannot say if these words He said told it clearly; church says it clearly) But some other story: do you remember these sunk pigs? >> (3) In their use of statues (not only of Jesus but Mary as well), > The Catholic use of images evolved at a much later time and > cannot be traced directly to Jesus's teachings. Jesus was a And seems the meaning of images is a bit different - in our religion (I am catholic) they serves similarly as scripture, especially useful for people who cannot read - to express religious teachings in form people could learn from. Is the meaning of images in Hindu religion the same, or different? Jerzy From - Fri Oct 24 10:45:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mailfw1.ford.com (mailfw1.ford.com [136.1.1.26]) by mail2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with SMTP id KAA11306 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mailfw1.ford.com id AA27063 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ghen@netcom.com); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:45:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199710241745.AA27063@mailfw1.ford.com> Received: by mailfw1.ford.com (Internal Mail Agent-2); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:45:32 -0400 Received: by mailfw1.ford.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:45:32 -0400 Sender: vdwivedi@ford.com Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:45:30 -0400 From: Dwivedi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/780) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "soc.religion.hindu" Subject: REQUEST : Email to Sai Baba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: Hi .. does anyone knows wether there is an e-mail address for sending mails to Sai Baba. -- Vivek P. Dwivedi vdwivedi@itcmail.ccd.ford.com 313/248-8878Fax:845-8984 From - Fri Oct 24 10:23:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from jazz.ncren.net (jazz.ncren.net [128.109.131.6]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id KAA11250 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roch.zetnet.co.uk (roch.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.119]) by jazz.ncren.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14494 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by roch.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA02538; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:22:07 +0100 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: Terry Andrew Checketts Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : when is Diwali? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:21:53 +0100 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1997102418215367450@zetnet.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: central.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.10b 10000533 Status: RO X-Status: hello from a newbie, please could someone, pass on any info regarding Diwali as my niece is doing a project for a colledge course, she is having trouble tracking down relevant books. many thanks. terry down in deepest west sussex. From - Fri Oct 24 06:59:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by mail3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id GAA01702 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:59:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carola.NOUBANI@oecd.org Received: from cs1-hq.oecd.org by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: cs1-HQ.oecd.org [193.51.65.66]) id QQdmqp14292; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oas4 (oas4.oecd.org [10.100.2.1]) by cs1-hq.oecd.org (8.8.3/8.8.3/OECD-1.4) with ESMTP id OAA01486 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:59:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from eosgty.oecd.org by oecd.org (PMDF V5.1-5 #10663) with ESMTP id <01IP6VIEUI0090X0FZ@oecd.org> for soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:58:28 +0200 (MET) Received: by eosgty.oecd.org with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:58:40 +0200 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:58:37 +0200 Subject: Request: Jesus in India Question/From 123@hopi.dtcc.edu (GERALD J . LA CORTE) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Status: RO X-Status: Hi, You certainly know the books written by Holger Kersten, if not so: Jesus Conspiracy : Turin Shroud and the Truth About the Resurrection ; Kersten, Holger; Gruber, Elmar R. Cloth £16.99** Jesus Conspiracy : Turin Shroud and the Truth About the Resurrection ; Kersten, Holger; Gruber, Elmar R. Paperback £9.99 Jesus Conspiracy : Turin Shroud and the Truth About the Resurrection ; Kersten, Holger; Gruber, Elmar R. Paperback £4.99** Jesus Conspiracy; The Turin Shroud and the Truth about the Resurrection ; Kersten, Holger PaperBack £7.70 (Normal Price £10.27) Jesus Lived in India: His Unknown Life Before and After the Crucifixion ; Kersten, Holger Paperback £6.95 Jesus Lived in India: His Unknown Life Before and After the Crucifixion ; Kersten, Holger Paperback £9.99** Original Jesus : Buddhist Sources of Christianity ; Gruber,Elmar R.; Kersten, Holger Cloth £16.99** Original Jesus : Buddhist Sources of Christianity ; Gruber, Elmar R.; Kersten, Holger Paperback £9.49 (Normal Price £9.99)** (This is a copy of an internet-bookshop: www.bookshop.co.uk) The original versions are written in German. I read "Jesus lived in India" (German issue) and am very interested in the subject. In my copy Holger Kersten even gave his personal address to be contacted directly by the reader. Kind regards Carola Noubani From - Fri Oct 24 03:53:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from flow.mail.pipex.net (flow.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.6]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with SMTP id DAA21796 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com by flow.mail.pipex.net with SMTP (PP); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:50:39 +0100 Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA25483 for soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net; Fri, 24 Oct 97 03:50:29 MST Received: from emailchd.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA04169 for soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net; Fri, 24 Oct 97 03:50:27 MST Received: by newsgate.sps.mot.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA30134; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:51:46 -0700 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: King the 1 Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Hanuman Prayer Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:54:20 +0100 Organization: sps Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3450E0CA.468C@rocketmail.com> References: Reply-To: r32499@email.sps.mot.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 222.2.125.87 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Status: RO X-Status: I WOULD LIKE TO THANK FOR ALL YOUR EXPLAINATION I REALLY APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.BY THE WAY I WOULD LIKE TO FIND IF YOU CAN LET ME KNOW ABOUT (PANJA MUHI)IS IT OK TO WORSHIP IN THE HOUSE. REGARDS -RAJA- From - Thu Oct 23 22:41:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mail3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id WAA23253 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nec ([208.220.24.65]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 93 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 01:38:48 -0400 Message-ID: <34503519.39D3@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 01:41:45 -0400 From: "Ram Chandran" Reply-To: chandran@tidalwave.net Organization: Home Personal Account X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ghen@netcom.com Subject: Re: ARTICLE : Vedanta Rasam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: In reply to Ram Chandran who wrote: > In reality there can be > no difference between Divine experiences that originate from any > religion whether it is from Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Islam or > other. Mani Varadarajan wrote: > Please, can we avoid this anti-intellectual, unnecessarily > feel-good, downright false theological minimalism? The divine > experiences of these religious traditions are markedly > different and varied. Or can you prove otherwise? Namakar Shri. Mani Varadarajan: Thanks for your comments. Your comments indicate that the divine experiences of these religious traditions are different and varied. I would like to see your proof why and how they are different. I like to understand your intellectual model and analysis in support of your claim. Please share your intellectual thinking and your insights to an ignorant person like me. It is my belief that Divine Experiences are beyond intellect and consequently, I have no evidence to see any difference! Have a nice day! Regards, Ram Chandran From - Thu Oct 23 17:51:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by mail2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id RAA25687 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) id QQdmop23360; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emerson.mnsinc.com (a0025.culpeper.mns.net [206.239.106.25]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10409 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <344FF034.CE5FEBF5@monumental.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:47:48 -0400 From: Michelle Emerson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Subject: REQUEST : Lalita book? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: Hello, I am hoping you can help me locate a book called Sastry, R.A. (trans.). Lalita Sahasranama. Nilgiri Hills, India: private printing, 1925. 2nd revised edition. Delhi: Gian, 1986. I would like to purchase it if possible. Can you give me sources for Indian texts? Thank you. Michelle Emerson From - Thu Oct 23 03:57:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id DAA12768 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mastech.com (firewall.mastech.com [208.0.144.226]) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id MAA19837 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usa.net ([209.114.136.216]) by firewall.mastech.com with ESMTP id <26888>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:31:04 -0400 Message-ID: <344D03CE.9D690E2F@usa.net> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:34:38 -0400 From: Shree X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu To: ghen@netcom.com Subject: Re: REQUEST : Hanuman Prayer - Hanuman Chalisa - Text & Audio References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: namaskaar, hanumaan chaalisaa is by goswaamii tulasiidaas and is probably in avadhii - writeen in the devanaagarii script. Hanuman Chalisa Text and Audio is accessible from http://www.hindunet.org/bhajans/texts/chaalisa.htm dhanyavaad, Shree S. KULSHRESHTHA wrote: > > Yes!!! > > In North India virtually most of the families enchant and recite Hanuman > chaleesa ( a book of parayer for Shri hanuman having chalees that is forty > verses in sanskrit). Thus any body can pray Lord hanuman any where at any > time. > > Sanjeev -- email: shree@usa.net website: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8891/ From - Wed Oct 22 21:37:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lana.pathlink.com (lana.zippo.com [207.211.168.56]) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id VAA01422 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by lana.pathlink.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) id EAA08264; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 04:45:01 -0700 (PDT) To: ghen@netcom.com Path: newsp.zippo.com!news2 From: "Frederick Glaysher" Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Pointer to RFD: talk.religion.bahai Date: 22 Oct 1997 11:45:00 GMT Organization: None Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bcdedf$f241c0c0$762ab3c7@glaysher> NNTP-Posting-Host: glaysher@199.179.42.118 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Status: RO X-Status: The Request For Discussion (RFD) for the second proposal of talk.religion.bahai has been posted to news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.religion.bahai and a few other newsgroups or lists. Interested people can also find the RFD on the webpage given below. -- Frederick Glaysher UseNet: alt.religion.bahai The RFD for talk.religion.bahai can be found on news.groups, news.announce.newgroups, or at From - Wed Oct 22 15:40:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from beaver.cs.washington.edu (beaver.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.1]) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id PAA19995 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nntp6.u.washington.edu (root@nntp6.u.washington.edu [140.142.64.7]) by beaver.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.1be+) with ESMTP id NAA27696 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by nntp6.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) id NAA27194 for soc-religion-hindu@beaver.cs.washington.edu; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:11:23 -0700 To: soc-religion-hindu@cs.washington.edu Path: saul7.u.washington.edu!apandey From: Anshuman Pandey Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Hanuman Prayer Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:11:18 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: saul7.u.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: nntp6.u.washington.edu 877551083 31544 (None) 140.142.64.7 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-User: apandey In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, S. KULSHRESHTHA wrote: > That is also, but actually it is devnagri language in which Chaleesa is > written, and this language is derived from sanskrit, and is closer to > hindi. The Hanumaan Caaliisaa was composed in the Medieval Hindi dialect of Avadhii by Tulasiidaas. The language is not directly derived from Sanskrit, but ultimately it is. It is more similar to the Middle Indo-Aryan languages, ie. Shaurasenii and Magadhii. Regards, Anshuman Pandey > On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, gautham karkala rao wrote: > > > > > Yes, you are correct in that people read the Hanumaan Chaalisaa, but it is > > not in Sanskrit. It is written in middle Hindi, NOT Sanskrit. > > > > > > > > On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, S. KULSHRESHTHA wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Yes!!! > > > > > > In North India virtually most of the families enchant and recite Hanuman > > > chaleesa ( a book of parayer for Shri hanuman having chalees that is forty > > > verses in sanskrit). Thus any body can pray Lord hanuman any where at any > > > time. > > > > > > Sanjeev > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, RAJALINGAM S wrote: > > > > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > > > Is anyone pls let me know is it ok to pray Lord Hanuman in a family > > > > house......... > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > From - Sat Oct 25 19:45:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from VMSrelay2.pcy.mci.net (vmsrelay2.pcy.mci.net [204.71.0.44]) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id TAA05313 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (usr1-dialup21.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #10044) with ESMTP id <01IP8LX4IMTG0026IU@MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET> for ghen@netcom.com; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:45:50 EDT Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:49:38 -0400 From: keytech Subject: Re : REQUEST : Indian Literature To: ghen@netcom.com Message-id: <01IP8LXETZKA0026IU@MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Status: RO X-Status: Dear Robert: Did you see my post on the Bhagavad GITA CDROM. Please email me if you need info on this. Asha From - Sat Oct 25 18:03:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id SAA26513 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: node17.frontiernet.net [205.232.174.25]) id QQdmwa11575; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net (8.8.6/8.7) id VAA32988 for soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:02:03 -0400 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: athiest Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST: Jesus in India Question Date: 26 Oct 1997 01:02:03 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 49 Message-ID: <34526030.6B1E@nowhere.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: d7-2-90.new-york-metro.dialup.ans.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Status: RO X-Status: Jerzy Tarasiuk wrote: > And maybe there is yet another large and usually overlooked > difference - what is source and purpose of the nonviolence. > If I know correctly (I read a book written by some Catholic > priest), Buddhist's nonviolence is directed toward becoming > perfect, while Christians toward loving one another. > Speak of a book writeen by a Catholic priest on Buddhism (The closest analogy I can think of is the Devil quoting the scriptures.) May be it is time you read about Buddhism from a book written by a Buddhist author, or at least by scholars like Rhy-Davids and Radhakrishnan. Let me try theorizing the way you do. If my memory serves me right, non-violence towards fellow human beings in Christianity (historically limited largely to Christians) is a matter of VIRTUE. In Buddhism, and in many other Indian schools of thought, non-violence towards ALL beings is derived from a sense of unity. They suffer just as we do, so they should not be caused to suffer just like we would not like to be. It stems from a deeply felt sense of EMPATHY. It is not a matter of VIRTUE. It is not based on a 'carrot-and-stick principle'. Non-violence does not have a UTILITARIAN motive in Buddhism (a desire to be perfect, or a desire for Heaven), or for that matter in any Indian school of thought. In fact, in Buddhism, the one who attains Nirvana is the one who has got rid of even the DESIRE to attain it. DESIRE of any kind does not lead to REALIZATION (according to all prominent Indian schools of thoughts), whether it be desire for heaven, desire of avoiding hell, or desire for grace of God. All desires are futile. Likewise, in many other Indian schools like Advaita (Monism), violence becomes MEANINGLESS given its philosophy (it is not a theology of a God judging countless souls jostling for berths in Heaven). If you truly want to learn about the meaning of words like 'perfection' in Buddhism or any other religion (incidentally, PERFECTION is not the word used in ANY Indian school of thought, including Buddhism to signify realization), try HARD to get some scholarly works. No Indian school of thought is CONCERNED about PERFECTION. All the philosophies of India, including Buddhism, concern themselves with ULTIMATELY REALITY (SAT). Nirvana is a state of realization, a state which is essentially INEFFABLE. I don't know what your Catholic priest means when he talks of PERFECTION. I hope your intention is not to have all your education in comparitive religion from the Internet. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do. (Bertrand Russel) From - Sat Oct 25 17:27:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id RAA20814 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 17:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utsw.swmed.edu by relay5.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: utsw.swmed.edu [129.112.1.12]) id QQdmvx00600; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news Received: from swsu65.swmed.edu by UTSW.SWMED.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #18231) id <01IP8H2WPOQO9UN81X@UTSW.SWMED.EDU> for soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:26:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: by swsu65.swmed.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA19906; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:27:45 -0500 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 00:27:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Hari Krishna Susarla Subject: Re: ARTICLE : Vedanta Rasam To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Message-id: <01bce1a5$8bb85c60$31097081@krishna_susarla.swmed.edu> Organization: UT Southwestern Medical Center Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Lines: 18 NNTP-posting-host: 129.112.9.49 References: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Status: RO X-Status: Ram Chandran wrote in article ... > ignorant person like me. It is my belief that Divine Experiences are > beyond intellect and consequently, I have no evidence to see any > difference! In that case, you don't have evidence to say that they are all the same, now do you? cheers, -- K From - Sat Oct 25 17:15:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id RAA01078 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 17:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kira.ici.net by relay2.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: kira.ici.net [207.180.0.37]) id QQdmvx15485; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bashir.ici.net (bashir [207.180.0.49]) by kira.ici.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA29095 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bashir.ici.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA08583; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:15:23 -0400 To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: "Frank McGuinness" Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: REQUEST: Info on Skanda, et al. Date: 26 Oct 1997 00:15:22 GMT Organization: The Internet Connection Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bce182$6f47b620$3208b4cf@frankmcg.ici.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d-ma-mansfield-41.ici.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Status: RO X-Status: I am interested in the identity of and difference between the various manifestations of Lord Shiva's youngest son: Skanda, Subramanya, Murugan, Kartikkeya, and others. I am interested in the relationship of Skanda to the Pleiades. I am especially interested in knowing if there is an image referring to the six heads. From - Fri Oct 24 15:25:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mail.ucsd.edu ([132.239.254.201]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id PAA16796 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (vixen.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.49]) by mail.ucsd.edu; id PAA09314 sendmail 8.8.5/UCSD8.3 via SMTP Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:21:52 -0700 (PDT) for Received: (from news@localhost) by vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA18467; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:21:46 -0500 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: ux4.cso.uiuc.edu!g-rao From: Gautham Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : when is Diwali? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:21:44 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux4.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: g-rao@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu cc: terry.checketts@zetnet.co.uk In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: This year Diwali falls on October 30th. If you need more info, please e-mail me. Gautham. On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Terry Andrew Checketts wrote: > hello from a newbie, > > please could someone, pass on any info regarding Diwali as my > niece is doing a project for a colledge course, she is having trouble > tracking down relevant books. many thanks. terry down in deepest > west sussex. ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > From - Tue Oct 28 06:46:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from MAILBOX.ECON.AG.GOV (MAILBOX.econ.ag.gov [151.121.64.123]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with SMTP id GAA17775 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by MAILBOX.ECON.AG.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:45:44 -0500 Message-ID: <3455FB29.4114@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:48:09 -0500 From: Ram Chandran Reply-To: chandran@tidalwave.net Organization: Personal X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ghen@netcom.com Subject: Re: Vedanta Rasam - Reply Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: In article , Hari Krishna Susarla wrote: > > Ram Chandran wrote in article > ... > > > ignorant person like me. It is my belief that Divine Experiences are > > beyond intellect and consequently, I have no evidence to see any > > difference! > > In that case, you don't have evidence to say that they are all the same, > now do you? > cheers, > -- K Plenty of evidences are there in Hindu Scriptures to support the viewpoint that there is only one God! The divine form and shape may look different from human perception but that does not imply that the divine experiences are different. True Bhakti is necessary for faith in any religion and True Bhakthi is an expression of Divine expression. True Bhakthi really means that LOVE everyone and HATE none! This attitude is a divine experience! If say that I am a True Bhaktha of Lord Krishna, it necessarily implies that I love everybody and same thing should be true for a True Christian, True Muslim, True Sikh and true spiritual seekers from other religions. Though there may be only one Mount Everest, there are many paths to reach the top of mount Everest! The vision from the top of the mountain is the same for Hindus, Christians, Muslims, etc. There is no need for me to show evidence but those who challenge this universal Truth are only required to prove why the Universal Truth is not UNIQUE? We all know that spirituality is not something that we can start discussing and arguing among ourselves to spend our valuable time. It is to be understood in an atmosphere of peace and tranquility with an open mind. If we show kindness and respect to other viewpoints, we are sure to get back kindness and respect from others. Religious disputes and doctrinal conflicts are always motivated by egoism. The very existence and practice of different religions demonstrate that no single religious perspective is absolute and complete. Let us dedicate some time to read and understand the viewpoints of world religions to remove our bias and prejudice. In a multi-cultural society like ours, it is necessary that we get better perspective of other religions and cultures. There will be no peace in earth if we do not show tolerance and open mindedness while listening or reading. Plenty of "goodness" is readily available in other religious scripts if we seek for it. The following excerpts will illustrate that the ultimate goal of any religion is to seek the truth and this is the "Absolute Truth!" Hinduism: Srimad Bhagavatam 11.15: Truth has many aspects. Infinite truth has infinite expressions. Though the sages speak in diverse ways, they express one and the same Truth. Ignorant is he who says, "What I say and know is true; others are wrong." It is because of this attitude of the ignorant that there have been doubts and misunderstandings about God. This attitude it is that causes dispute among men. But all doubts vanish when one gains self-control and attain tranquillity by realizing the heart of Truth. Thereupon dispute, too, is at an end. Srimad Bhagavatam 11.3: Like the bee, gathering honey from different flowers, the wise man accepts the essence of different scriptures and sees only the good in all religions. Christianity Bible, 1 Peter 2.12: Maintain good conduct among the Gentiles, so that in case they speak against you as wrongdoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation. Jainism Sanmatitarka of Siddhasena 1.28: All the doctrines are right in their own respective spheres--but if they encroach upon the province of other doctrines and try to refute their views, they are wrong. A man who holds the view of the cumulative character of truth never says that a particular view is right or that a particular view is wrong. Islam: Qur'an: 2.256 & 10.99-100: There is no compulsion in religion. Will you then compel mankind, against their will, to believe? No soul can believe, except by the Will of God. Taois. Chuang Tzu 2: Suppose you and I have had an argument. If you have beaten me instead of my beating you, then are you necessarily right and am I necessarily wrong? If I have beaten you instead of your beating me, then am I necessarily right and are you necessarily wrong? Is one of us right and the other wrong? Are both of us right or are both of us wrong? If you and I don't know the answer, then other people are bound to be even more in the dark. Whom shall we get to decide what is right? Shall we get someone who agrees with you to decide? But if he already agrees with you, how can he decide fairly? Shall we get someone who agrees with me? But if he already agrees with me, how can he decide? Shall we get someone who disagrees with both of us?... But waiting for one shifting voice [to decide for] another is the same as waiting for none of them. Harmonize them all with the Heavenly Equality, leave them to their endless changes, and so live out your years. What do I mean by harmonizing them with the Heavenly Equality? Right is not right; so is not so. If right were really right, it would differ so clearly from not right that there would be no need for argument. If so were really so, it would differ so clearly from not so that there would be no need for argument. Forget the years; forget distinctions. Leap into the boundless and make it your home! Well Known Indian Tale - The Parable of the Blind Men and the Elephant: A number of disciples went to the Buddha and said, "Sir, there are living here in Savatthi many wandering hermits and scholars who indulge in constant dispute, some saying that the world is infinite and eternal and others that it is finite and not eternal, some saying that the soul dies with the body and others that it lives on forever, and so forth. What, Sir, would you say concerning them?" The Buddha answered, "Once upon a time there was a certain raja who called to his servant and said, 'Come, good fellow, go and gather together in one place all the men of Savatthi who were born blind... and show them an elephant.' 'Very good, sire,' replied the servant, and he did as he was told. He said to the blind men assembled there, 'Here is an elephant,' and to one man he presented the head of the elephant, to another its ears, to another a tusk, to another the trunk, the foot, back, tail, and tuft of the tail, saying to each one that was the elephant. "When the blind men had felt the elephant, the raja went to each of them and said to each, 'Well, blind man, have you seen the elephant? Tell me, what sort of thing is an elephant?' "Thereupon the men who were presented with the head answered, 'Sire, an elephant is like a pot.' And the men who had observed the ear replied, 'An elephant is like a winnowing basket.' Those who had been presented with a tusk said it was a plough-share. Those who knew only the trunk said it was a plough; others said the body was a granary; the foot, a pillar; the back, a mortar; the tail, a pestle, the tuft of the tail, a brush. "Then they began to quarrel, shouting, 'Yes it is!' 'No, it is not!' 'An elephant is not that!' 'Yes, it's like that!' and so on, till they came to blows over the matter. "Brethren, the raja was delighted with the scene. "Just so are these preachers and scholars holding various views blind and unseeing.... In their ignorance they are by nature quarrelsome, wrangling, and disputatious, each maintaining reality is thus and thus." Then the Exalted One rendered this meaning by uttering this verse of uplift, O how they cling and wrangle, some who claim For preacher and monk the honored name! For, quarreling, each to his view they cling. Such folk see only one side of a thing. (This well-known Indian tale is from the Buddhist canon, but some assert it is of Jain origin. It does illustrate well the Jain doctrine of Anekanta, the manysidedness of things: Cf. Tattvarthaslokavartika 116, p 806. Mihir Yast 10.2: Cf. Analects 15.5, p.1020. Udana 68-69). From - Mon Oct 27 13:14:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from yseult.sis.pasteur.fr (yseult.sis.pasteur.fr [157.99.60.10]) by mail.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id NAA02619 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by yseult.sis.pasteur.fr (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA05405 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:13:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from altaylor.demon.co.uk ([158.152.252.17]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1024444; 27 Oct 97 20:46 GMT Message-ID: <8DkN3BAg2PV0Ew2V@altaylor.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:46:24 +0000 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net From: Alan L Taylor Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: REQUEST : Modern Hindu Women Path: altaylor.demon.co.uk!alan Lines: 6 Organization: Scottie MIME-Version: 1.0 Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 Status: RO X-Status: My daughter has an essay to do regarding the following question. She is not Hindu but is studying Hinduism for A level. Qestion: Is it possible for a Hindu Woman in Western society to fulfil her traditional role as a Hindi wife and Mother? -- Alan L Taylor From - Mon Oct 27 13:06:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from jazz.ncren.net (jazz.ncren.net [128.109.131.6]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id NAA00358 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net. (nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.105]) by jazz.ncren.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13668 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:15:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA24776; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:12:10 GMT To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: James Flear Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: ARTICLE : Vedanta Rasam Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:16:16 +0000 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3454F690.4D7E@virgin.net> References: Reply-To: james.flear@virgin.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.72.103 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Status: RO X-Status: Ram Chandran wrote: > > In reply to Ram Chandran who wrote: > > In reality there can be > > no difference between Divine experiences that originate from any > > religion whether it is from Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Islam or > > other. > > Mani Varadarajan wrote: > > Please, can we avoid this anti-intellectual, unnecessarily > > feel-good, downright false theological minimalism? The divine > > experiences of these religious traditions are markedly > > different and varied. Or can you prove otherwise? > > Namakar Shri. Mani Varadarajan: > > Thanks for your comments. Your comments indicate that the divine > experiences of these religious traditions are different and varied. I > would like to see your proof why and how they are different. I like to > understand your intellectual model and analysis in support of your > claim. Please share your intellectual thinking and your insights to an > ignorant person like me. It is my belief that Divine Experiences are > beyond intellect and consequently, I have no evidence to see any > difference! > > Have a nice day! > Regards, > Ram Chandran------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ You might not see any difference - but isnt it slightly arrogant to tell a Sufi, or whatever, that their experience is the same. They might not believe you Regards From - Mon Oct 27 11:12:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from wfdutilgw.ml.com (wfdutilf01.ml.com [206.3.74.31]) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id LAA00528 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:12:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1.ml.com ([199.201.57.130]) by wfdutilgw.ml.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/MLgwo-3.05) with ESMTP id OAA21110 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:12:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from commpost.ml.com (commpost.ml.com [146.125.4.24]) by ml1.ml.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/MLml4-2.08) with SMTP id OAA21300 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from radon.etsd.ml.com (radon2.etsd.ml.com [169.242.21.65]) by commpost.ml.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA03172 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:11:54 -0500 Received: from migraine.etsd.ml.com by radon.etsd.ml.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11653; Mon, 27 Oct 97 14:11:54 EST Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 14:11:54 EST Message-Id: <9710271911.AA11653@radon.etsd.ml.com> Received: by migraine.etsd.ml.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18011; Mon, 27 Oct 97 14:15:50 EST To: ghen@netcom.com Subject: REQUEST : Need Meaning Of Samskrit Words From: Ram Gopalaswamy Reply-To: tg@etsd.ml.com Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.01. Status: RO X-Status: Could someone explain meaning of samaskrita words below ? "sam-kalpa", "a-kalpa" & "vi-kalpa" . What do the prefixes "sam-", "a-" & "vi-" mean, in general ? -Ram. From - Mon Oct 27 08:43:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lambert.ecn.purdue.edu (lambert.ecn.purdue.edu [128.46.153.177]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id IAA29235 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:42:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from lambert.ecn.purdue.edu (rbalasub@localhost) by lambert.ecn.purdue.edu (8.8.5/3.8.2moyman) id LAA04094; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:42:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199710271642.LAA04094@lambert.ecn.purdue.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:42:56 -0500 (EST) From: Ramakrishnan Balasubramanian To: ghen@netcom.com Subject: Re: REQUEST : Lalita book? Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu In-Reply-To: Organization: Purdue University, W. Lafayette, IN Status: RO X-Status: In article emerson writes: >I am hoping you can help me locate a book called >Sastry, R.A. (trans.). Lalita Sahasranama. Nilgiri Hills, India: private >printing, 1925. > 2nd revised edition. Delhi: Gian, 1986. > >I would like to purchase it if possible. Can you >give me sources for Indian texts? I haven't seen this particluar book. Howeve, if you are interested in just a translation, there's one available from the Vedanta Press. Ramakrishnan -- From - Mon Oct 27 05:49:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by mail2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id FAA28610 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from A102011.sfo2.as.crl.com (A102011.sfo2.as.crl.com [168.75.102.11]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id FAA01334 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:47:47 -0800 (PST) env-from (tzimon@xiqual.com) Message-ID: <34549CB9.1F6@xiqual.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:52:57 -0800 From: KAlayogin Organization: BBZ Broadcasting, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ghen@netcom.com Subject: Re: REQUEST: Info on Skanda, et al. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: Frank McGuinness wrote: > > I am interested in the identity of and difference between the various > manifestations of Lord Shiva's youngest son: Skanda, Subramanya, Murugan, > Kartikkeya, and others. I am interested in the relationship of Skanda to > the Pleiades. I am especially interested in knowing if there is an image > referring to the six heads. Skanda was born from the semen that fell from Shiva's lingam when it fell upon Himavat (according to Lingapurana). When the Pleiades (in the form of six apsaras) came upon the beautiful infant, the fought amongst themselves as to who would suckle the child. In order to quell the argument, Skanda grew six heads and suckled from them all. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tzimon Yliaster Tools of CHAOS Maintainer http://www.xiqual.com tzimon@xiqual.com PO Box 26362 San Francisco, CA 94126 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From - Mon Oct 27 03:46:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id DAA01194 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 03:46:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from soran.pacific.net.sg by relay5.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: soran.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.76]) id QQdnbj05148; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 06:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop2.pacific.net.sg (pop2.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.86]) by soran.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id TAA27655 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:46:31 +0800 (SGT) Received: from default (dyn252ppp252.pacific.net.sg [210.24.252.252]) by pop2.pacific.net.sg with SMTP id TAA11949 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:46:30 +0800 (SGT) Message-ID: <3455520B.7B06@pacific.net.sg> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:46:35 -0800 From: rfmarine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Subject: Reply to Mr. S.V. Singam of Penang X-URL: http://rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu:8080/srh_home/1996_2/msg00395.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: Dear Mr. Singam, You said that Sai Ba Ba is a fraud. Why don't you make a trip to India and see for yourself before making such a statement. I am sure Sai Ba Ba will welcome you, love you and forgive you. That is from my experience. Richard Foo, Singapore. From - Mon Oct 27 01:56:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id BAA04992 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 01:56:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu by relay6.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) id QQdmza21918; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 15:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.8.7/NMSU) id NAA23768; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:47:51 -0700 (MST) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: verdi!skulshre From: "S. KULSHRESHTHA" Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST: Jesus in India Question Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:44:33 -0700 Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 80 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: verdi.nmsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: skulshre@verdi To: athiest In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: I am in very much in agreement with the explaination given by Mr. Athiest and I appreciate the quality of his thoughts. In order to support and strengthen his views, I would like to add that western media and christian priests or churches have been very misleading about Hinduism and Hindu religion, mostly because of their very narrow mindedness and conservative attitude. It is least understood that Hindu religion is a term coined by westerners, but actually Hindu religion is no the way people think about the religion. It is actually HINDUISM, WHICH IS IN FACT- "THE WAY OF LIFE". That is why HINDU PHILOSOPHY OR HINDUISM GAVE so many schools of thoughts, one after the other in a sequence. Gautama Buddha has been the most recent or the latest way of the interpretation of of HINDU philosophy (Hinduism), and in fact, Buddhism is not a separate religion, rather it is again an off-shoot of HINDUISM, and is very much part of HINDU PHILOSOPHY. There is no division between Hinduism or Buddhism. They are in continuum with each other, and Buddhism is derived from Hinduism. Regards, Sanjeev On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, athiest wrote: > Jerzy Tarasiuk wrote: > > > And maybe there is yet another large and usually overlooked > > difference - what is source and purpose of the nonviolence. > > If I know correctly (I read a book written by some Catholic > > priest), Buddhist's nonviolence is directed toward becoming > > perfect, while Christians toward loving one another. > > > > Speak of a book writeen by a Catholic priest on Buddhism (The closest > analogy I can think of is the Devil quoting the scriptures.) May be it > is time you read about Buddhism from a book written by a Buddhist > author, or at least by scholars like Rhy-Davids and Radhakrishnan. > > Let me try theorizing the way you do. If my memory serves me right, > non-violence towards fellow human beings in Christianity (historically > limited largely to Christians) is a matter of VIRTUE. In Buddhism, and > in many other Indian schools of thought, non-violence towards ALL beings > is derived from a sense of unity. They suffer just as we do, so they > should not be caused to suffer just like we would not like to be. It > stems from a deeply felt sense of EMPATHY. It is not a matter of VIRTUE. > It is not based on a 'carrot-and-stick principle'. Non-violence does not > have a UTILITARIAN motive in Buddhism (a desire to be perfect, or a > desire for Heaven), or for that matter in any Indian school of thought. > In fact, in Buddhism, the one who attains Nirvana is the one who has got > rid of even the DESIRE to attain it. DESIRE of any kind does not lead to > REALIZATION (according to all prominent Indian schools of thoughts), > whether it be desire for heaven, desire of avoiding hell, or desire for > grace of God. All desires are futile. Likewise, in many other Indian > schools like Advaita (Monism), violence becomes MEANINGLESS given its > philosophy (it is not a theology of a God judging countless souls > jostling for berths in Heaven). > > If you truly want to learn about the meaning of words like 'perfection' > in Buddhism or any other religion (incidentally, PERFECTION is not the > word used in ANY Indian school of thought, including Buddhism to signify > realization), try HARD to get some scholarly works. No Indian school of > thought is CONCERNED about PERFECTION. All the philosophies of India, > including Buddhism, concern themselves with ULTIMATELY REALITY (SAT). > Nirvana is a state of realization, a state which is essentially > INEFFABLE. I don't know what your Catholic priest means when he talks of > PERFECTION. > > I hope your intention is not to have all your education in comparitive > religion from the Internet. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do. (Bertrand > Russel)------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > From - Sun Oct 26 22:18:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from bath.mail.pipex.net (bath.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.4]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with SMTP id WAA22460 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com by bath.mail.pipex.net with SMTP (PP); Mon, 27 Oct 1997 06:18:27 +0000 Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA10740 for soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net; Sun, 26 Oct 97 23:17:04 MST Received: from emailchd.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA27398 for soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net; Sun, 26 Oct 97 23:17:03 MST Received: by newsgate.sps.mot.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA41322; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:18:23 -0700 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: King the 1 Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: REQUEST : PICTURES Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:21:08 +0100 Organization: sps Lines: 9 Message-Id: <34549543.7E3B@rocketmail.com> Reply-To: r32499@email.sps.mot.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 222.2.125.87 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Status: RO X-Status: HELLO, I WOULD LIKE TO PURCHASE FEW HINDU GODS PICTURES WHICH IS NOT AVAILABLE IN MY PLACE.CAN ANY I LET ME KNOW IS THERE ANYWHERE I CAN PURCHASE THRU CORRESPONDENCE BANK DRAFT. REGARDS From - Sun Oct 26 15:17:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by mail.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id PAA10200 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 15:17:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) id QQdmzl08024; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:16:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from bgtnsc01 ([135.173.83.18]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA12233; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:16:36 +0000 Received: by bgtnsc01. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA27073; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:16:35 GMT To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: newsadm From: Shikaripura Harihareswara Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Lalita book? Date: 26 Oct 1997 23:16:35 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <630j0j$qdm@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.35.66 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) To: emerson@monumental.com Status: RO X-Status: This is regarding the enquiry about the book on "Lalita Sahasra-nama". If you are lookinf for the book: Lalita-Sahsranama / With Bhaskara-raya's Commentary/ Translated into English / by R Anantha-Krishna Sastry which was published first in 1899 (by TPH) and then subsequently in 1925, 1951, 1970, 1976, 1988, and now in 1994 (Seventh Printing) by Adyar Library & Research Center, Madras, here are the addresses to get the book:(ISBN 81-85141-03-7) The Theosophical Publishing House, PO Box 270, Wheaton, IL 60187, USA The Theosophical Publishing House, The Theosophical Society, Adyar, Tamil Nadu,600 020, India Also, you may try any local Indian-Book sell> Data Missi ng > > This document resulted from a POST operation and has expired from > the cache. If you wish you can repost the form data to recreate the > document by pressing the reload button. ers, like Nataraj Books, email: nataraj@mail.erols.com or South Asia Books, e-mail: sabooks@juno.com or Amazon Books, e-mail amzon.com or any other reputed booksellers known to you. Good Luck! Sincerely, -Harihareswara From - Sun Oct 26 15:10:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by mail3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id PAA05681 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 15:10:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) id QQdmyy05779; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 15:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.8.7/NMSU) id NAA22610; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:15:03 -0700 (MST) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: verdi!skulshre From: "S. KULSHRESHTHA" Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Hanuman Prayer - Hanuman Chalisa - Text & Audio Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:11:45 -0700 Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: verdi.nmsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: skulshre@verdi To: Shree In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: Namaskar, That's true. Thanks for reminding me the correct information. Dhanyavaad Sanjeev Kulshreshtha On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Shree wrote: > namaskaar, > > hanumaan chaalisaa is by goswaamii tulasiidaas and is probably in avadhii - > writeen in the devanaagarii script. > > Hanuman Chalisa Text and Audio is accessible from > http://www.hindunet.org/bhajans/texts/chaalisa.htm > > dhanyavaad, > > Shree > > S. KULSHRESHTHA wrote: > > > > Yes!!! > > > > In North India virtually most of the families enchant and recite Hanuman > > chaleesa ( a book of parayer for Shri hanuman having chalees that is forty > > verses in sanskrit). Thus any body can pray Lord hanuman any where at any > > time. > > > > Sanjeev > > -- > email: shree@usa.net > website: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8891/------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > From - Sun Oct 26 15:08:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from yseult.sis.pasteur.fr (yseult.sis.pasteur.fr [157.99.60.10]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id PAA03202 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 15:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from po8.andrew.cmu.edu (PO8.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.108]) by yseult.sis.pasteur.fr (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA02317 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:36:52 +0100 (MET) Received: (from postman@localhost) by po8.andrew.cmu.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id QAA05351 for soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:36:49 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:36:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from bb3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:36:11 -0500 (EST) To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: andrew.cmu.edu!colon+ From: Lorne G Colon Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: REQUEST : Question of Religion. Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:34:20 -0500 Organization: Junior, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 Message-ID: <0oIvRR200iVE03vxk0@andrew.cmu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: po7.andrew.cmu.edu X-Added: With Flames (outnews v2.6) Status: RO X-Status: Hello, I'm conducting a survey as to why believers of various religions accepts their beliefs and rarely, if ever question them. I would appreciate any and every responce I can get involving this subject. Please respond to this account...not the newsgroups and describe what religion you belong to, what you believe, and why you accept your faith. In addtion, why do you feel your religion is any more acceptable than all others throughout the world? This information is being used for research purposes only, by responding you will have access to all information that comes as a result of this research... Please use this opportunity to relay what and why you believe... Thanks, Lorne Colon From - Sun Oct 26 12:16:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id MAA14075 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 12:16:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) id QQdmyz11753; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 15:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.8.7/NMSU) id NAA22833; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:19:52 -0700 (MST) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: verdi!skulshre From: "S. KULSHRESHTHA" Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Hanuman Prayer Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:16:36 -0700 Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: verdi.nmsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: skulshre@verdi To: r32499@email.sps.mot.com In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: Yes it is alright to worship PANJA MUHI even at home. Actually, if I am not wrong, PANJA MUHI is synonymn of PANCHAANAN (i.e. one with 5 faces) PANJA = PANCHA = FIVE MUHI = ANAN = FACE On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, King the 1 wrote: > I WOULD LIKE TO THANK FOR ALL YOUR EXPLAINATION I REALLY APPRECIATE IT > VERY MUCH.BY THE WAY I WOULD LIKE TO FIND IF YOU CAN LET ME KNOW ABOUT > (PANJA MUHI)IS IT OK TO WORSHIP IN THE HOUSE. > > REGARDS > -RAJA-------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > From - Sun Oct 26 08:00:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by mail2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id IAA08428 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 08:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from horschack.bch.uc.edu by relay1.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: horschack.bch.uc.edu [129.137.33.26]) id QQdmyi07094; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 11:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from email.uc.edu (mail.fd1.uc.edu [129.137.244.3]) by horschack.bch.uc.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19417; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 11:05:46 -0500 Received: from brubaker ([129.137.33.112] (may be forged)) by email.uc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA00714; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 10:59:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971026110306.00925620@email.uc.edu> X-Sender: kumarak@email.uc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 11:03:17 -0500 To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net From: karthik Subject: ARTICLE : My answer to the question on Geeta Cc: rnandiwa@research.westlaw.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, This is my first visit to this newsgroup and ofcourse my first mail to any. Please pardon me for any of my errors in the usage of english. >In article <4iaa8j$mc4@babbage.ece.uc.edu>, >Hari Krishna Susarla wrote: >>In article <4i5c0h$ioc@babbage.ece.uc.edu>, >> Ravishanker_Nandiwada wrote: >>>In both the above slokas the two statements relating to the moon appear >>>to be scientifically incorrect. >>> >>>1. I am the moon among stars: We all know that moon is not a star. >>>2. Moon supplying juice of life to vegetables: We also know that in >>>the case of most vegetables, sun supplies more "juice of life". >>> >>>How can Lord Krshna state incorrectly? Can anyone clarify this issue? Gita is an epic. So, the inner meaning is difficult to understand by mortals like us. We can at the most give explanations and intrepretations limited by our wavelength quotient. I mean, our explantions are limited to our knowledge - which may not be sufficient enough to understand the beauty of such great creations. My explanation goes like this: Krishna says, "I am the moon among the stars". maybe... Vyasa is trying to say something like... Krishna is somebody who stands out, or who is near to us than anybody/thing else, or he is the brightest even during the night, or he is so great that the stars form a backdrop (i mean take the backseat)to his greatness, or maybe he has deliberately made this ambiguity to make us realise that Krishna is a concept beyond our understanding. Again for your next question, it may mean something like this.... We know that it is during the nights that plants take in oxygen and leave out CO2, which is as equally essential as photosynthesis during the day - when it takes in Co2 and converts it to oxygen. If any one of the part of this cycle isn't there, the plant wont survive. Our science proves everything till this point. Maybe vyasa refers to this. And who knows, the night's part of the cycle maybe more important to the day's part --for the plant--. I end with one important point: Bible says- Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to lord JESUS. Quran says- Mohammed's body is suspended between earth and sky. All religion have something which science cannot explain. All religion say, reiterate that god is beyond science. After all what is science? It is the accumulation of human knowledge- which we know isn't sufficient to understand the whole concept of god. So, I wish to advise that you stop worrying about this thing and make serious attempts to go nearer to god. bye, love, karthikeyan kumarak@email.uc.edu http://www.eng.uc.edu/~kkumarag From - Wed Oct 29 14:47:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id OAA04560 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from joe.rice.edu by relay2.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: joe.rice.edu [128.42.5.19]) id QQdnkl07545; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:46:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by joe.rice.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21035; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:46:23 -0600 (CST) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: cs.rice.edu!vivek From: vivek@cs.rice.edu (Vivek Sadananda Pai) Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: ARTICLE : Vedanta Rasam Date: 29 Oct 1997 22:46:22 GMT Organization: Hindu Students Conference, Rice Univ Chapter Lines: 35 Message-ID: <638ebu$kh9$1@joe.rice.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.rice.edu Status: RO X-Status: In article , Ram Chandran wrote: >In reply to Ram Chandran who wrote: >> In reality there can be >> no difference between Divine experiences that originate from any >> religion whether it is from Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Islam or >> other. [...] >Thanks for your comments. Your comments indicate that the divine >experiences of these religious traditions are different and varied. I >would like to see your proof why and how they are different. Proof? What does that mean in this context? However, there's some evidence that might be considered here with regard to the "afterlife", in a nutshell: Christians believe in a Heaven and the details get a little fuzzy after that. However, suffice it to say that you're with God and you get a set of wings and a harp. Muslims believe that men get four houris (which I've seen translated to either "bright-eyed young women" or "virgins") - haven't heard anything about wings. Classical Buddhists believe that the not-you gets extinguished and ceases to exist - no harp, no women, nothing. Non-dualists believe you merge with God, who, actually, is you, or something to that effect. Also, it should be mentioned that some dualistic groups also believe in relationships with the Supreme that run the gamut - friendship, willing servitude, awe, reverence, conjugal bliss, etc., etc. Now, maybe these don't qualify as "Divine Experiences," but they do point to very markedly different views of what constitutes the afterlife and what the "Divine" does in it. I hope we agree that they're quite different... -Vivek From - Wed Oct 29 11:30:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by mail3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id LAA27618 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.or.intel.com by relay1.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: news.or.intel.com [134.134.248.5]) id QQdnjy22943; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by news.or.intel.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17374; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:39:10 -0800 (PST) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: usenet From: Manoj Ganger Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Modern Hindu Women Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:30:01 +0000 Organization: Intel Corporation Lines: 18 Message-ID: <34571E38.7DE1C336@aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: manoj-desk.hf.intel.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Status: RO X-Status: Doesn't any western female fulfil the role of a wife and a mother ? atleast mother's role is a mother's role tradionally or otherwise. Manoj Ganger Alan L Taylor wrote: > My daughter has an essay to do regarding the following question. She is > not Hindu but is studying Hinduism for A level. > > Qestion: Is it possible for a Hindu Woman in Western society to fulfil > her traditional role as a Hindi wife and Mother? > -- > Alan L Taylor------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ From - Wed Oct 29 08:15:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by mail3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id IAA00523 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:15:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from vixen.cso.uiuc.edu by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.49]) id QQdnjl05949; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA05021; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:15:03 -0600 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: ux7.cso.uiuc.edu!g-rao From: Gautham Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu,uiuc.org.india Subject: ARTICLE : Happy Diwali! Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:15:01 -0600 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 106 Message-ID: Reply-To: Gautham NNTP-Posting-Host: ux7.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: g-rao@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu Status: RO X-Status: Hello Everyone! I just wanted to wish you all a very happy Diwali. -Gautham. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@@@ @@@@@@ @@@@@@ @@ @@ @@@@@@@@@@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@@@@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@@@@ @@@@@ @@@@@@ @@ @@ @@@@@@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@@@ @@@@ @@@@@ @@@@@@@@ @@ @@@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@@ @@ @@ @@@@ @@ @@@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @ @@ @@@@@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@ @@@@@@@@ @@@@ @@@@ @@@@ @@@@@@ @@@@ @@@@ \ | / \ | / \ @ / \ @ / -- @+@ -- @ @@@@@@@@ -- @+@ -- -- @| |@ -- @ @ -- @| |@ -- -- @| |@ -- @ @ -- @| |@ -- -- @| |@ -- @@@@@@@@@@@@@@ -- @| |@ -- -- @|*|@ -- @ @ -- @|*|@ -- \ @|@ / @ @ / @|@ \ # @@@@@@@ @ # ################## ################## #@ @# #@ @# #@ @# #@ @# ############ ############ My heartiest Diwali Greets. May the light of Diwali dispel all ignorance, May the compassion of Laxmi, flow into our hearts. May the glory of God, and brotherhood of Human kind Never depart us, when this day passes by. May pains and sorrow, vanish away, May the beauty of the flower lotus, be our way. May the purity of water, wake up our souls May we all be blest on this celebration that glows. May our nature, be of the Hans Bird, May our pride, dispell in the light of hope. May we think of those who are less fortunate then us, May we change our selves, to the betterment of human kind. | G \ | / \ *** / R __ !!!!!!! __ __ !!!!!!! __ E __ ******* __ @@| |@@ E @| |@ ## T ############## #~~~~~~~~~~# I #~~~~~~~~# ######## N G S From - Wed Oct 29 06:53:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id GAA11894 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 06:53:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from info.ecf.toronto.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: info.ecf.toronto.edu [128.100.8.7]) id QQdnjf09459; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by info.ecf.toronto.edu id <4326520>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:52:13 -0500 Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Path: rajaroy From: rajaroy@ecf.toronto.edu (Roy Raja) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Subject: Re: REQUEST : Need Meaning Of Samskrit Words Sender: News Administrator Fake-Sender: news@ecf.toronto.edu (News Administrator) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:52:09 -0500 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: skule.ecf References: Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility Status: RO X-Status: In article , Ram Gopalaswamy wrote: >Could someone explain meaning of samaskrita words below ? > >"sam-kalpa", "a-kalpa" & "vi-kalpa" . > >What do the prefixes "sam-", "a-" & "vi-" mean, in general ? > >-Ram.------------------------------------------------------------------- Jai Ram ji, Prefix "sam" means to come together, "a" means negation and "vi" means deviation normally. Kalpa as a word means the duration of the universe. As a root it means to think or imagine like in word kalpna meaning imagination. Samkalpa means determination, akalpa I have not encountered but probably means unimaginable, and vikalpa means an alternative. Raja From - Tue Oct 28 17:31:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by mail.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id RAA09268 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:31:26 -0800 (PST) From: BGuru1@aol.com Received: from emout31.mail.aol.com by relay5.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: emout31.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.14]) id QQdnhe29276; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout31.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA24303 for soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:31:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:31:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971028202336_2035893849@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Subject: REQUEST : Term Paper help Status: RO X-Status: Hi, my name is Arleen. I 'm doing a paper on the hindu religion for the University of Maryland. I would really appreciate it if you could answer some of my questions. What to the Hindus feel about the creation of the world, how do they feel the world began? For example in some cultures it is believed that the world at one time was all water and only creatures of the sea roamed the earth. Then these creatures decided to have land so they dug under the water till their was land. In another culture the earth at one time was the back of a giant turtle. Could you please send me as much as you can and also if not too much trouble tell me some other places where I can find more answers.How was the world created? Thanks, e-mail me:Bguru1@Aol.com From - Tue Oct 28 12:36:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from bbmail1.unisys.com ([192.63.200.5]) by mail2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id MAA00766 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from bblnmta.unisys.com (bblnmta.bb.unisys.com [192.63.78.253]) by bbmail1.unisys.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA05298 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:34:39 GMT Received: by bblnmta.unisys.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.1.03 (436.3 7-23-1997)) id 8525653E.0071597C ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:38:04 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: UNISYS From: "Manjari Gokhale" To: ghen@netcom.com Message-ID: <8525653E.0070B495.00@bblnmta.unisys.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:37:59 -0500 Subject: ARTICLE : Diwali Date Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: RO X-Status: Hi, The main Diwali is on 30th Oct., the same day as Halloween. but we have Diwali for 5 days. They are: 28 Oct - Dhanatrayodashi 30 Oct morn - Narakchaturdashi 30 Oct eve - Laxmipooja --- Main Diwali 01 Nov - Balipratipada 02 Nov - Bhaiduj On every day we have some fixed rituals to perform. Like on 2nd Nov, sisters get something from there brothers. On 1st Nov, wife's get something from husbands, etc. On the main day, in India we leave all the doors and windows open for some time. That means that wealth will come to our house. On 28th, before having bath we put a homemade cream on our body and then have bath. Hope you got the answer which you were looking for. Regards, Manjari From - Tue Oct 28 11:39:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from MAILBOX.ECON.AG.GOV (MAILBOX.econ.ag.gov [151.121.64.123]) by mail3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with SMTP id LAB22705 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:39:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by MAILBOX.ECON.AG.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:38:44 -0500 Message-ID: <34563FDB.259@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:41:16 -0500 From: Ram Chandran Reply-To: chandran@tidalwave.net Organization: Personal X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ghen@netcom.com Subject: ARTICLE : The Essence of Bhagavad Gita - Part 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: Namaskar: My apology for not completing this concluding part of the essence of Gita. Thanks for the support of the newsgroup members for several encouraging E_mail letters on my prvious posting. The eighteen chapters of Gita suggest a path consists of Karma, Bhakthi and Jnana yoga for liberation from the bondage of human desires. During our study group discussions, I have summarized the essence of Gita Chapters on the issue of self-realization. This is a delicate area and the scriptures (Upanishads) have carefully stated the implications of making the claim about Jnanihood. The Upanishads will categorically reject anyone making a public claim that "I am a Jnani!" This Gita summary is organized with subtitles on various stages of the liberation of human soul. I would like to make it clear that these stages of development are presented just for coherent reading and understanding of the issues. In reality, spiritual development is not like getting a diploma or degree in an university and hence there are no clear path of the journey. The spiritual developments that are postulated in Gita are essential tools to get spiritual maturity. There is a subtle message in our scriptures on the significance of GOD in human life. The most important ingredient for Self-realization is the Grace of God which is always available for all seekers! This is a fundamental ingredient in Hindu philosophical prescription for Liberation. The scriptures have stressed the importance of "Sadhana" as the driving force for Self-realization. According to Gita, the most important Sadhana is to conduct our activities without looking for the fruits of our actions. This is Karma Yoga. Karma yoga is impossible to perform with out Bhakthi. Bhakthi is an infinite love for the Lord! Infinite devotion to the Lord necessarily implies infinite love for everyone around us! When we see everyone within us and see us in everyone then we reach the goal of TRUE BHAKTHI. If and when we are able to conduct our Karma Yoga spontaneously without any hesitation, we become Jnanis. The person who has the wisdom to understand the formula for the liberation is the Jnani. Gita's specification of the Janani is with mathematical perfection! The divine presence of Lord Krishna became necessary to transform the intellectual human mind of Arjun to realize that God is the only eternal support for the liberation of human soul. Seizure of Human Mind by Emotion, Ego, Ignorance and Stupidity (1-47) The human Arjun is overwhelmed by emotion and self-pity and collapses down on the seat of his chariot. He throws down his bow, arrow and dignity. He momentarily forgets his True Human Nature and desperately asks for outside help. Instantaneously, ignorance, selfishness, self-centered ego, emotion and stupidity takes charge of his personality. He separates himself from his true human nature and neglects his obligation to fight the war. Fortunately, the flash of light from his subconscious mind emerges to give all the necessary guidance to fight his freedom from emotion, ego and ignorance and to save the human soul. The Key to Liberation ( 2 - 67 & 68) When the mind runs after rowing senses it carries away intelligence, just as the wind carries away a ship on the waters. By withdrawing our senses from objects we can firmly set our intelligence! Importance of Senses, Mind, Intelligence and Consciousness: ( 3 - 41 & 42) The rowing senses can destroy the wisdom and discriminating power and hence they should be controlled. Knowledge of Self is greater than intelligence; intelligence is greater than the mind and mind is greater than the senses. Hence it is important for everyone to acquire the knowledge of SELF (Jnani) through reading the scriptures, listening to teachers and through personal experience. SanyasaYoga and the Renunciation of Senses (4 - 26 & 27) Some follow the sanyasa yoga by restraining the use of sense organs by meditating in caves, mountains and forests. They sacrifice worldly life by falling into the fire of yoga of self control. What is Balanced Mind? (5 - 22 & 23) Those who realize that real happiness does not born out of the pleasures from contacts with objects and who are able to resist the rush of desire and anger will have a balanced mind. What is Meditation? (6 - 18, 24, 25) Meditation is the liberation of mind from all desires and the establishment of the mind on Self alone. Such a Yogi will be self content and self-controlled with unshakable determination. Goal of Human Life ( 7 - 10) God is the strength of the strong, devoid of desire and passion. The desire for union with God is the only desire that will fulfil the goal of having no desire and it will not be contrary to the Goal. Practice of Yoga Sastraa to Control Body: (8 - 12) All the gates of the body restrained, the mind confined within the heart, one's life force fixed in the head, established in concentration by Yoga (The physical body is called the nine-gated city!) What is Yoga of Sovereign Mystery (Devotion)? (9 - 34) The way to rise out of our ego-centered consciousness to the divine plane is through focusing of all our energies, intellectual, emotional and volitional on God. Knowledge, love and power get fused in supreme unification. Bliss through Total Surrender and Complete Detachment from desires. What is Buddhi Yoga? (10 - 9 & 10) The devotion of mind by which the disciple gains the wisdom which sees the one in all the forms which change and pass. By diverting the rowing mind on God the disciple controls the senses. What is Devotion (Bhakti)? (11 - 55) The essence of Bhakti is to carry out the duties, directing the spirit to God and with a complete detachment from all interest in the things of the world and also free from enmity toward others. Who is a True Devotee? (12 - 13 & 14) The person with no ill will to any being, who is friendly and compassionate, free from egoism and self -sense, even-minded in pain and pleasure, tolerant and self-controlled is a True Devotee! What is True Wisdom ? (13 - 13 & 14) Humility, integrity, nonviolence, patience, uprightness, service of teacher, purity, steadfastness, self-control, indifference to the objects of sense, self-effacement and the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age, sickness and pain, non-attachment to spouse, children, and other possessions, and a constant equal-mindedness to all desirable and undesirable happenings. The True Human Nature (Stithaprajna) (14 - 24 to 26) The person who regards pain and pleasure alike, who dwells in own self, who looks upon a clod, a stone, apiece of gold as of equal worth, who remains the same amidst the pleasant and the unpleasant things, who is firm of mind, who regards both blame and praise as one, who is the same in honor and dishonor, who treats friends and foes same, who has given up all initiative of action and who serves God with unfailing devotion of love is said to have risen above the three modes. What is Liberation? (15 - 5) Those who are freed from pride and delusion, who have conquered the evil of attachment, who have frozen their desires, who are ever devoted to the Supreme Spirit are liberated from the dualities known as pleasure and pain and are undeluded, go to that eternal state of Brahman. Divinity in Human Nature (16 - 2 & 3) The virtues that include Nonviolence, truth, freedom from anger, renunciation, tranquility, aversion to fault finding, compassion to living beings, freedom from covetousness, gentleness, modesty and steadiness, vigor, forgiveness, fortitude, purity, freedom from malice and excessive pride belong to True Human nature unified with Divinity. Qualities of a Perfect Human Being (17 - 14 to 16) Worship of the Gods, of the twice-born, of teachers and of the wise, purity, uprightness, austerity and nonviolence, the utterance of non-offensive speech, serenity of mind, gentleness, silence and self-control are the necessary standard to become more perfect. Who is a Perfect Yogi? (18 - 51 to 53) A Yogi endowed with a pure understanding, firmly restraining oneself, turning away from sound and other objects of sense, casting aside attraction and aversion, dwelling in solitude, controlling speech, body and mind, engaged in meditation and concentration, free from self-sense, arrogance, violence, desire, anger, possession, ego-less and with total peace of mind. In conclusion, Vedic spirituality is not narrowly confined to any specific religion or belief. Divinity is always present when a person lives a spiritual life. It hardly matters whether that person believes in God. Belief in God is an inference and is not a statement! If I live according to the rules defined by Lord Krishna in Bhagavad Geeta, I implicitly believe in Lord Krishna. It hardly matters whether I state I believe in Lord Krishna or do not believe in Lord Krishna. Similarly if I state that I believe in Lord Krishna and if all my actions contradict my statement then by inference I am a nonbeliever. It is my opinion that the subtle message of Bhagavad Geeta is: "Actions are inevitable and excuses are indefensible." From - Thu Oct 30 08:19:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from ntserver.gyosei.ac.uk (gyosei.gyosei.ac.uk [194.128.4.1]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id IAA11540 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:19:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntserver.gyosei.ac.uk ([194.128.4.144]) by ntserver.gyosei.ac.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA165 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:20:30 +0000 Message-ID: <34592426.798B@gyosei.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:19:50 -0800 From: singh@gyosei.ac.uk (SatwinderSingh) Organization: Gyosei International College X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ghen@netcom.com Subject: ARTICLE : Diwali Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: Makes sense. We all should have one date for Diwali. From - Wed Oct 29 20:43:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from jazz.ncren.net (jazz.ncren.net [128.109.131.6]) by mail2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id UAA06942 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:43:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (vixen.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.49]) by jazz.ncren.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA06077 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA18176; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:40:57 -0600 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: ux8.cso.uiuc.edu!g-rao From: Gautham Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: ARTICLE : Diwali Date Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:40:55 -0600 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux8.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: g-rao@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu To: Manjari Gokhale In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: Actually, today, Oct 29 is Naraka Chaturdashi and tomorrow Oct 30 is the main Deepavali day. Tomorrow is Lakshmi pooja. Gautham. On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Manjari Gokhale wrote: > > > > Hi, > > The main Diwali is on 30th Oct., the same day as Halloween. > but we have Diwali for 5 days. They are: > 28 Oct - Dhanatrayodashi > 30 Oct morn - Narakchaturdashi > 30 Oct eve - Laxmipooja --- Main Diwali > 01 Nov - Balipratipada > 02 Nov - Bhaiduj > > On every day we have some fixed rituals to perform. > Like on 2nd Nov, sisters get something from there brothers. > On 1st Nov, wife's get something from husbands, etc. > On the main day, in India we leave all the doors and windows open for some > time. That means that wealth will come to our house. > On 28th, before having bath we put a homemade cream on our body and then > have bath. > > Hope you got the answer which you were looking for. > > Regards, > Manjari > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gautham K. Rao \\|// Univ of Illinois g-rao@uiuc.edu (o o) Champaign-Urbana 217-332-3111 oOOo~(_)~oOOo Biochemistry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From - Wed Oct 29 16:10:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id QAA15020 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:04:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ntplx.net by relay2.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mail.ntplx.net [204.213.176.10]) id QQdnkq26241; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 19:02:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from news.ntplx.net (news.ntplx.net [204.213.176.5]) by mail.ntplx.net (8.8.7/NETPLEX) with SMTP id TAA29580 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 19:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by news.ntplx.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA20278; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 19:02:16 -0500 To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: mrgerald@aol.com Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: WWW : Dhanvantari avatar Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 19:02:10 -0500 Organization: NETPLEX Internet Access (860) 233-1111 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3457CE82.2C17@aol.com> Reply-To: mrgerald@aol.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p61-18.hftd.dialin.ntplx.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Status: RO X-Status: The origins of the ancient healing science known as Ayurveda are lost in cosmic antiquity. According to the ancient text Caraka-samhita, this "Science of Life and Longevity" is eternal and is revealed in each universe in each of its infinite cycles of creation and destruction. This healing science is generally revealed by great sages or demigods. Occasionally, the Supreme Lord Himself descends as the avatara inarnation) Dhanvantari and re-inaugurates the tradition of Ayurveda. This extremely rare appearance of God is recorded in the Vedic literature of ancient India. Dhanvantari's appearance is celebrated each year on the 13th day (trayodasi) of the waxing moon a few days before the Divali, corresponding to October 28 in this year of 1997. Go to: http://dhanvantari.nols.com to get the story, and see rare pictures about Him. Gerald From - Wed Oct 29 04:05:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from clark.zippo.com ([165.113.238.170]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id EAA21905 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 04:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by clark.zippo.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA17672; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 04:04:49 -0800 (PST) To: ghen@netcom.com Path: newsp.zippo.com!mdrn From: Terah_DJ@kis.ernet.in (Terah U. DeJong) Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: Survey Responses Needed!!! Date: 29 Oct 1997 04:04:48 -0800 Organization: None Lines: 30 Message-ID: <392F5D35AA@kis.ernet.in> NNTP-Posting-Host: SpoolDir Status: RO X-Status: I am a student studying in South India and I have a survey to post for a term paper I am writing. The paper is based on cultural responses to Jesus Christ. I am not trying to brain wash anybody into believing something they don't but I simply would like honest respones of your opinion, whatever it may be, to the four following questions: What religious tradition are you from? In your religious tradition, what did you learn about the character of Jesus Christ as a child growing up? How do you believe the life and teachings of Jesus Christ have influenced universal values, politics, etc.? Explain any experiences, positive or negative, where you have encountered a Christian, which has influenced your belief about Christ. I would greatly appreciate your responses whatever they may be. Please reply to my personal e-mail address with "Survey" in the Subject line of your message. I sincerely thank you for your help... ********************************* Terah Ulrich DeJong Kodaikanal, Tamil Nadu, S. INDIA terah_dj@kis.ernet.in ********************************* From - Mon Oct 6 11:04:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mercury.aichem.arizona.edu (mercury.aichem.Arizona.EDU [128.196.184.138]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with SMTP id LAA11975 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mercury.aichem.arizona.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10199; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:01:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:01:12 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: ghen@netcom.com Subject: INFO : Send Free Hindu Digicard! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I am pleased to announce the Free Hindu Digicard System on The Hindu Universe. The Hindu Digicard system allows the visitors to our site to send free electronic festival greetings. To access the site : http://www.hindunet.org/digicard/ Currently, you can send out greetings to your friends and family for the followiing festivals : Divali Festival Vijayadashami Ganesh Chaturdi Krishna Jayanti Shri Rama Navami Shri Hanuman Jayanti The Hindu Digicard system features images from our extensive collection of Hindu images, and adding to the educational value of the greetings card, each digicard contains a link to the explanation of the relevent festival. Hindu Digicards is a service of Global Hindu Electronic Networks http://www.hindunet.org regards, ajay From - Mon Oct 6 10:29:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from jazz.ncren.net (jazz.ncren.net [128.109.131.6]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id KAA06475 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com (ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.67]) by jazz.ncren.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13515 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00166; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:24:03 -0700 (PDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: parthas@home.com Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: REQUEST : Learning Sanskrit Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 13:25:27 -0400 Organization: @Home Network Lines: 9 Message-ID: <34391F07.3ACD@home.com> Reply-To: parthas@home.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cc313012-a.avnl1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-AtHome0305 (Win95; U) Status: RO X-Status: I live in New Jersey. I would like to learn Sanskrit and i am very serious about it. Can anyone show me ways and means in and around this area. I would be greatful. Please post or email me at parthas@home.com Parthasarathy Srinivasan From - Mon Oct 6 10:07:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from rutgers.RUTGERS.EDU (RUTGERS.EDU [165.230.4.76]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id KAA09717 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com (news@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.67]) by rutgers.RUTGERS.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA28414 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26328; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:06:44 -0700 (PDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: parthas@home.com Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : HINDU FRIENDS Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 13:08:08 -0400 Organization: @Home Network Lines: 14 Message-ID: <34391AF8.4291@home.com> References: Reply-To: parthas@home.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cc313012-a.avnl1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-AtHome0305 (Win95; U) Status: RO X-Status: Mizar wrote: > > Hello! I am an Italian girl and would like to find > Hindu friends to talk about our respective traditions. > I'm Catholic and curious to know about other religions. > Please write me to theta_scorpii@hotmail.com > > Mizar. ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ I am a Hindu Brahmin from South India. I shall answer any of your Hinduism related questions to the best of my knowledge. You can write to me at parthas@home.com or parthas@hotmail.com Parthasarathy Srinivasan From - Sun Oct 5 10:43:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id KAA06668 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h1.uw.edu.pl by relay5.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: h1.uw.edu.pl [148.81.151.18]) id QQdjza07475; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by h1.uw.edu.pl (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA01474; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:42:48 +0200 (MET DST) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: news From: jt@fuw.edu.pl (Jerzy Tarasiuk) Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST: Jesus in India Question Date: 05 Oct 1997 18:42:48 +0100 Organization: Warsaw University, Physics Department Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: jt@zfja-gate.fuw.edu.pl= (Jerzy Tarasiuk; remove the '=') NNTP-Posting-Host: fizyk1.fuw.edu.pl In-reply-to: me's message of Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:25:43 GMT X-Newsreader: (ding) Gnus v0.82 Status: RO X-Status: >>>>> me writes: > one of the Apostles made his way out to India while preaching the > gospel. He was their persecuted and eventual died their. I believe it > was Peter. However, I could be wrong about who it was. I have Surely not Peter - he was crucified in Roma, and most likely there is strong evidence of the fact. I read about it somewhere, and seems it was Thomas (this "unbelieving") but I'm not sure. > Ancient Hebrew scriptures. Remember, he said the most important > commandment of all was to "Love the Lord your God with all you > heart..." He was not speaking of Shiva or any other god. He was > speaking of YHWH from the Old Testament. And note the OT clearly states prophet must speak of YHWH only. Just sentence preceding the commandment you quoted: "Shema Israel, YHWH Elohenu, YHWH ehad" - Listen Israel, YHWH is God, YHWH only" - strongly contradicts Hindu religion. (and next is "Let stay these word in your heart..."). Since it is impossible for Jesus or Apostles teach Hindu religion. From - Sun Oct 5 09:27:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from agate.berkeley.edu (agate.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.1]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id JAA17749 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 09:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (vixen.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.49]) by agate.berkeley.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA14916 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 09:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA26623; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:27:32 -0500 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: ux7.cso.uiuc.edu!g-rao From: Gautham Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: INFO : Russian Law Discriminates Against Hinduism Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:27:31 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 76 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux7.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: g-rao@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu Status: RO X-Status: From: Hindu Religious Freedom Foundation RE: International Protest of Russian Law Attacking Religious Freedom and Discriminating Against Hinduism Namaste. I am writing to enlist your aid in protesting a law passed by the Russian government, which takes away religious freedom and the right to exist for many religions in that country, including many Hindu and Vaishnava groups. Furthermore, the law must be seen as a direct snub and insult to Hindus of all persuasions. The main organization behind this law is the Russian Orthodox Church, which has tried to establish itself as the state religion in Russia, and which desires to wipe out other religions and prohibit them from preaching. Here are some important facts about this law: 1. It acknowledges the right to exist in Russia for the following religions: Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, and Islam. Hinduism is conspicuous by its absence. Although there are one billion Hindus, Vaishnavas and followers of Vedic religions around the world (second in number only to Christianity), no mention is made of the right of Hinduism to exist. Hinduism is the only major religion in the world that was not listed as a legitimate religion by the Russian government. 2. The law is craftily designed to take the abovementioned rights away from any religion not registered for at least 15 years. Thus, in addition to the Hindu religions, most Christian religions, including the Roman Catholic church, will have most of their rights taken away. 3. This law even takes away the rights to invite brahmins, swamis, yogis, and Vaishnava acharyas to come to Russia as missionaries, and will prohibit them from either printing Hindu literature in Russia, importing any Vedic literature into Russia, or from distributing any Hindu religious literature in Russia. In short, one practical effect is that it will strangle Hinduism in Russia. 4. There are currently at least four Vaishnava missions actively preaching in Russia, as well as a number of smaller Hindu organizations of various persuasions, including Transcendental Meditation. Prior to the end of communism, Krishna bhaktas in Russia were severely persecuted. Many were put in jail; others were sent to mental institutions. Some died, because they would not give up their faith. Please help us make sure this does not happen again. We need your help to protest this law. The Hindu Religious Freedom Foundation has set up a web site on the Internet to coordinate worldwide protests from Hindu organizations and Hindus all over the world. The address of that web site is: http://www.tropicmall.com/hindu Please lend your support to this important cause. The web site makes it easy for you to send letters of protest to the Russian government, Russian embassies and ambassadors, the Russian Orthodox Church, the Russian Parliament, and the president of Russia, Boris Yeltsin. Links are also set up to Indian government officials, the United Nations, and the United States government, so that you can send them your plea to speak out on this issue, and to impose sanctions on the Russian government if they do not overturn this law. Just as it was the duty of Arjuna to pick up his bow and fight for righteousness, similarly, it is the duty of each and every Hindu around the world to "pick up the pen" and fight for righteousness by making his or her voice heard on this important cause. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Sincerely, Tusta Krishna das Hindu Religious Freedom Foundation From - Sat Oct 4 23:05:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from host02.net.voyager.co.nz (host02.net.voyager.co.nz [203.21.30.125]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id XAA05699 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 23:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digvijay (ts1p55.net.auckland.voyager.co.nz [203.21.24.70]) by host02.net.voyager.co.nz (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA13609 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:04:10 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <199710050604.TAA13609@host02.net.voyager.co.nz> From: "Compaq Customer" To: Subject: ARTICLE : Hindu Religion Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:57:59 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: hi friends first of all there is no hindu religion exiting in this world the word hindu was given by the imperialist and mughual ruler, afterall god is one it doesn,t make a difference which one you pray ,he got million of names , only religion i know is love toward god. My name is digvijay ,staying at auckland and rest later well wisher digvijay@voyager.co.nz From - Sat Oct 4 22:59:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from host02.net.voyager.co.nz (host02.net.voyager.co.nz [203.21.30.125]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id WAA02207 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 22:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digvijay (ts1p55.net.auckland.voyager.co.nz [203.21.24.70]) by host02.net.voyager.co.nz (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA13376 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:59:09 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <199710050559.SAA13376@host02.net.voyager.co.nz> From: "Compaq Customer" To: Subject: ARTICLE : Read Vedas Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:52:57 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: you should read vedas, it explain even the jesus apperance i n garwhal and even the prediction of his birth, even Muhummad also it explain you in various puranas after all he is son of god clearly written in bible well wisher From - Sat Oct 4 18:53:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id SAA22387 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 18:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wnnews1.netlink.net.nz by relay2.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: [202.37.60.10]) id QQdjwp28977; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 21:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by wnnews1.netlink.net.nz (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA20467; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:53:21 +1300 (NZDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: usenet From: BOF.Holder@mailexcite.com (BOF Holder) Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.india Subject: REQUEST : SHAVING HEAD Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 01:53:51 GMT Organization: NetLink Wellington, New Zealand. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3436f226.536264@news.comp.vuw.ac.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: mocgate.moc.govt.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Status: RO X-Status: I have noticed severl men shave their heads after their visits to Thirumalai Venkateswara temple and Pazhani Murugan temple. Probably there may be similar temples in other parts of Iindia. Can someone be able to explain the significance of this practice and whether this is supported in Hinduism. Thanks BOF.Holder From - Sat Oct 4 09:01:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id JAA18839 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: F20.hotmail.com [207.82.250.31]) id QQdjvc13669; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27026 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 1997 16:01:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19971004160126.27025.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.172.244.108 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Oct 1997 09:01:26 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.172.244.108] From: "Julie Blake" To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Cc: editor@rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu, srh@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu, H.Kawanami@lancaster.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 09:01:26 PDT Status: RO X-Status: Hi, Can someone please help me out? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the woman is highly venerated in Hinduism (worship of goddesses, for example) yet throughout history, Indian women have experienced trememdous difficulties because of their gender. Can you help me pinpoint some of these difficulties - especially within the Hindu culture. For instance, "suttee", when an indian widow is placed on the funeral pyre of her deceased husband and destroyed with his remains. Also, what practices within the Hindu religion venerate women? thank you JB ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Fri Oct 3 11:04:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from 56-5.clever.net ([209.25.49.1]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id LAA20837 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host-207-53-28-50.mia.bellsouth.net [207.53.28.50]) by 56-5.clever.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA23788 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710031804.OAA23788@56-5.clever.net> Subject: INFO : Vaishnava News Network (VNN) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 97 14:08:53 -0400 x-sender: vnn@vnn.org x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: VNN Staff To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Status: RO X-Status: Vaishnava News Network (VNN) - http://www.vnn.org/ The VNN is looking for Correspondents worldwide. 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Please find more information about participating in the VNN at: http://www.vnn.org/participate/ Hare Krishna Vaishnava News Network (VNN) http://www.vnn.org/ staff@vnn.org From - Thu Oct 2 16:39:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from rutgers.RUTGERS.EDU (RUTGERS.EDU [165.230.4.76]) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id QAA25774 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (vixen.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.49]) by rutgers.RUTGERS.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA16237 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA05492; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:18:44 -0500 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!g-rao From: Gautham Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: INFO : Navratri Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:18:42 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 34 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: g-rao@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Status: RO X-Status: # # ## ##### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # ###### # # # # # # # # # ###### ##### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ## # # ##### ## ##### ##### # ## # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ###### # # ##### ###### # ##### # # ## # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ## # # # # # # # # Hello Everyone, I am just e-mailing all of you to let you know today, October 2nd, is the beginning of Navratri. It is a festival lasting for 9 days and is also called Dussera. I wanted to wish you all a happy Navratri. Gautham. From - Thu Oct 2 16:33:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from agate.berkeley.edu (agate.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.1]) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id QAA26593 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (vixen.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.49]) by agate.berkeley.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA18278 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA05978; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:24:54 -0500 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!g-rao From: Gautham Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Who or What is Mahalami? Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:24:52 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: g-rao@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Victoria, Do you mean Mahalakshmi? On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 Victoria@zippo.com wrote: > I need to know Who or What is Mahalami?------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > From - Thu Oct 2 14:48:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from gate.usaor.net (gate.usaor.net [204.157.146.1]) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id OAA12564 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usa.net (dyn17cs11.usaor.net [205.199.35.81]) by gate.usaor.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21373; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34341527.5EC2CB6C@usa.net> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:41:59 -0400 From: Shree Reply-To: shree@usa.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SRH , Bhakti List Subject: Navaratri Puja & Devi Mahatmyam Translation References: <342849E3.FAA@ix.netcom.com> <34285440.6EC9@ix.netcom.com> <609nab$hj3$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> <34304247.7020@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: HappY Navaratri to all !!! > Navaraatri which falls in the month of ashwiija shuddha day 1 thru day > 10 both inclusive. The 10th day is called vijaya dashami, which is > auspecious for starting any new venture, starting alphabets for > children, learning new languages, music, or for developing > new(improved) relationship with your husband or wife or children or > office colleagues. > > This puja falls on the ist day of the month of aashwiija - generally > Oct - this time on Oct 02, 1997 - from ist day till 10th day, being > celebrated as navaraatri and the tenth day as vijaya dashami. > It is, a long tradition that one reads the devi-bhagavatam or the devi > mahatmyam (durga saptasati, 700 verses on Durga) during this period. Navaratri Puja & Devi Mahatmyam Translation are available at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/8175/index.html Thanks Shree From - Tue Oct 7 14:18:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id OAA12904 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bluebird.uchicago.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: bluebird.uchicago.edu [128.135.181.132]) id QQdkgz15625; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (news@localhost) by bluebird.uchicago.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) id QAA13495 for soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:14:07 -0500 Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Path: curie.uchicago.edu!trivedi From: trivedi@curie.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi) Subject: Re: REQUEST: Jesus in India Question X-Nntp-Posting-Host: curie.uchicago.edu Message-ID: Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of Chicago References: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:14:02 GMT Apparently-To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Status: RO X-Status: >The theory that Jesus visited India during his lost years and after his >crucifiction is very thought provoking and interesting. However, I have >found this to be simply a theory not founded in evidence. That's the problem: there is very little evidence for any theory, including what has been preached by Church authorities. :) It is quite likely that Jesus may have visited India in his youth. First, India is not all that far, and travel caravans were quite routine. Second, just as artists used to visit France and scientists flocked to Germany and now the U.S., it is reasonable that someone with interest in religious matters would have visited India which was home to Hinduism (an ancient religion even then) as well as Buddhism (a 500 year old religion whose missionaries were already active in the Middle East). It is not claimed that Jesus was "preaching" Hindusim, but he could have been influenced by Indian thought. Whether he actually survived the crucification, and spent the rest of his life in India, is far more speculative. Please note that this does not mean that the traditional Church version is any less speculative. -Anil Trivedi From - Tue Oct 7 12:21:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from yseult.sis.pasteur.fr (yseult.sis.pasteur.fr [157.99.60.10]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id MAA00720 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com (news@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.67]) by yseult.sis.pasteur.fr (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA08117 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:21:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from news@localhost) by ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05351; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:20:45 -0700 (PDT) To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: parthas@home.com Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: REQUEST : Who or What is Mahalami? Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 15:22:11 -0400 Organization: @Home Network Lines: 16 Message-ID: <343A8BE3.AB7@home.com> References: Reply-To: parthas@home.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cc313012-a.avnl1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-AtHome0305 (Win95; U) Status: RO X-Status: Gautham wrote: > > Victoria, > > Do you mean Mahalakshmi? > > On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 Victoria@zippo.com wrote: > > > I need to know Who or What is Mahalami?------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ Mahalakshmi is the consort of Lord Vishnu. She is the provider of wealth and prosperity according to Hindu mythology. From - Tue Oct 7 11:49:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from yseult.sis.pasteur.fr (yseult.sis.pasteur.fr [157.99.60.10]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id LAA09524 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from piva.ucs.mun.ca (root@piva.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.2.63]) by yseult.sis.pasteur.fr (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA09675 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:49:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from coranto.ucs.mun.ca (coranto.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.2.38]) by piva.ucs.mun.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA15550 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:18:43 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by coranto.ucs.mun.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA18293; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:18:37 -0230 To: soc-religion-hindu@moderators.uu.net Path: tera.engr.mun.ca!chandru From: Raamachandran Jayaraman Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: Re: ARTICLE : Hindu Religion Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:18:34 -0230 Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tera.engr.mun.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: Hi I agree with you. The name hindu was given by British and those who do not want anything with British must also give up what they have given.India was not one earlier times and each region had its own god and festivals. Dr. J. Raamachandran ph: (709) 737 8963 (Works) Box 76, Faculty of Engg. & Applied Science (709) 739 7501 (Resi) Memorial University of Newfoundland, fax: (709) 737 4042 St. John's, Nf Email: chandru@engr.mun.ca Canada A1B 3X5. url: http://www.engr.mun.ca/~chandru On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Compaq Customer wrote: > hi friends > first of all there is no hindu religion exiting in this world > the word hindu was given by the imperialist and mughual ruler, afterall god > is one it doesn,t make a difference which one you pray ,he got million of > names , only religion i know is love toward god. > > My name is digvijay ,staying at auckland and rest later > well > wisher digvijay@voyager.co.nz------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ > > From - Tue Oct 7 08:33:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id IAA27223 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wfdutilgw.ml.com by relay6.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: wfdutilf01.ml.com [206.3.74.31]) id QQdkgc04231; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ml1.ml.com ([199.201.57.130]) by wfdutilgw.ml.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/MLgwo-3.05) with ESMTP id LAA13838 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.ml.com (news.ml.com [199.201.57.131]) by ml1.ml.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/MLml4-2.07) with SMTP id LAA12599 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by news.ml.com (SMI-8.6/ML55MX-1.01) id LAA25273; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:33:27 -0400 To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: news From: Monica Kaul Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: REQUEST : mahurat Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 11:36:04 -0700 Organization: Merrill Lynch Lines: 4 Message-ID: <343A8114.6BDE@exchange.ml.com> Reply-To: mkaul@exchange.ml.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 171.20.8.124 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Status: RO X-Status: i need to find out if certain days are auspicious for certain events... how can i do this? thanks a lot. From - Tue Oct 7 07:21:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id HAA27586 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Raven.und.ac.za by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: Raven.und.ac.za [146.230.128.50]) id QQdkfx17542; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by Raven.und.ac.za (8.8.3/8.7.3) id QAA19743; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:20:57 +0200 (SAT) To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net Path: pc195.CC.und.ac.za!prithipali From: prithipali@superbowl.und.ac.za (Ishen Prithipal) Newsgroups: soc.religion.hindu Subject: ARTICLE : Navarathri greetings Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:23:51 Organization: University Of Natal (Durban) Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pc195.cc.und.ac.za Keywords: Jai Hind Status: RO X-Status: Swagatam ... .... to all my Hindu friends all over the world as well as South Africa. I wish all of you well over Navarathri. May you all enjoy the grace of Mother. Ishen Prithipal ( South Africa - University of Natal, Durban, South Africa) From - Tue Oct 7 05:14:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from radian.ecn.purdue.edu (radian.ecn.purdue.edu [128.46.153.176]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id FAA27488 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 05:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from radian.ecn.purdue.edu (rbalasub@localhost) by radian.ecn.purdue.edu (8.8.5/3.8.2moyman) id HAA24451; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:14:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199710071214.HAA24451@radian.ecn.purdue.edu> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:14:36 -0500 (EST) From: Ramakrishnan Balasubramanian To: ghen@netcom.com In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Purdue University, W. Lafayette, IN Subject: Re: REQUEST: Jesus in India Question Status: RO X-Status: >Surely not Peter - he was crucified in Roma, and most likely >there is strong evidence of the fact. I read about it somewhere, >and seems it was Thomas (this "unbelieving") but I'm not sure. There is a story that St Thomas visited India. There is even a St Thomas Mt in Madras, supposedly where he was killed by the native "heathens". The story is most probably apocryphal. The site was declared to have been visited by him only a couple of centuries back (by Christian missionaries). The Encyclopaedia Brittanica feels that this story is most probably untrue, since there is no evidence for St Thomas having visited India. All in all fanciful stories concocted by missionaries to convert Hindus seems the most reasonable explanation. Ramakrishnan.